Magiver, do you ever want to discuss real proof or are you just happy spewing complete shit? Because I’m an inquiring mind and I’d like to know.
Before this thread goes spinning off into Pit territory or gets itself closed, is there anyone who is actually arguing for a specific point any more? Or has it already fallen into the morass of nitpicking tiny fragments of statements by other posters while no one really knows what position is being argued?
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Hey, have you ever tried to stand in the posture that Oswald purportedly does in those backyard photographs? I can’t do it. Can you? If you can, take a picture of yourself and post it here!
Thanks for the info. Given that my memory now tends to play Silly Putty with things that happened last week, I was a little leery of posting something over thirty years old, but hoped it would prompt someone to come through with better Dope. Your info confirms my essential point: that Robert Kennedy could well have had a strong desire to reunite brain and body.
Can’t blame you for reaching for the padlock, but this seems to be the path all JFK assassination threads take. I think it’s the nature of the beast. There’s so much stuff floating around that a piecemeal approach is inevitable. 'Twould help if we held down the sarcasm (you almost had me there, Hentor).
Well, my posting it in response to tomndebb’s admonition was supposed to be in good humor, but I’m serious about the observation.
What is evident to me in these types of threads or discussions is that there are some people who are in fact zealots when it comes to the opposite side of the coin. Some people seem quite wild-eyed and crazy in their opposition to any suggestion against the official version of events.
All I know is that I’ve read a couple of books and visited Dealy Plaza, and there are too many improbabilities to swallow, in my opinion, for me to buy into the official version.
Real proof of a coverup? Is that what your asking? If I had that I would be picking out the interior of my next house/car/plane.
As much as I’d like to believe everything my government tells me I’ll continue to read, observe and question any material I think is inconsistent. The entire Warren Commission report was aimed at Oswald and the 2nd shot. The 2nd shot got all the attention. To me, the 3rd shot appeared to be from a different type of ammunition than the heavy jacketed bullet Oswald was using. Mortal Error talks about that.
I never understood the need for secrecy with the material involved in the case. It took an act of Congress to get it released. I don’t understand what Jackie is withholding from her remaining child about JFK. I don’t know why President Ford thinks the CIA hid or destroyed information regarding the assassination. Maybe I’ll read his book “The Warren Commission”.
Tomny, me boyo, I believe you’re a bit younger than I so I’ll assume the Sisters in your day were a bit better educated, both in general and in Church doctrine, but I have a fairly good idea where misinformation about Church doctrine may come from. Back when the much-vaunted Thumb of the Vatican had a lighter touch, mostly because the Electronic Revolution hadn’t made it easier to keep an eye on everybody (except what they did with the altar boys–go figure) but also because of that education thing, the dear Sisters were pulling all sorts of misinformation out of their asses. I heard that bit about autopsies, too, so, just because it wasn’t Official, it was What Folks Were Taught and I can only assume it was worse in Boston in the 30s when Jack and Bobby were coming up.
Christ, THIS bullshit is still being spouted?
Oswald’s wife Marina told the Warren Commission that she took the photos herself. Other witnesses claim to have seem the photographs long before the assassination. Marina must be lying! Witnesses who have no reason to lie must be lying! It’s a goddamn conspiracy!
Wait - your response is that you could stand in such a position because Marina Oswald said so?
Christ, THAT is bullshit.
BTW, any footage available somewhere online? (I’m sure there is).
I’d like to prove my mother wrong.
So you don’t believe Oswald shot at Kennedy, right? That’s pretty far out there.
If this is such an impossible body position, how the fuck did Oswald’s nefarious body double do it?
Perhaps if you chose to answer questions with answers, rather than other questions and profanities, it would be more convincing.
The obvious answer to your question is that he didn’t. If the picture were manipulated, the figure could also be manipulated.
Can you stand like that? I’m talking about the one in which his head is to the right (his right) of the plane described by his right foot. Have you ever tried standing like that? Can you send a picture of yourself doing so?
This discussion has led me to read more about the backyard photos, and there are more questions than I previously realized about them. I also read yesterday that Marina has since told people that those were not the pictures that she took.
I think the OP asked, “Should JFK conspiracy theorists be shunned?” My answer is “Yes,” and I shun them. But that’s all I have to offer.
Funny, Oswald’s body posture isn’t even one of the 22 issues concerning the House Select Commitee on whether the Oswald backyard photos were faked. They totally must have overlooked your scientific observations.
If you’re interested, they seemed to clear most of it up. But do you care? No, because you know better. You’re on to something, you feckless truthseeker.
As noted researcher Gary Mack states:
So yes, Marina admitted taking the photos. Others had clearly seen the photos prior to the assassination. George de Mohrenschildt had a backyard photo of Oswald with his very writing (“hunter of fascists hahaha”) and signature on it, which handwriting experts proved to be authentic.
What the fuck will satisfy you, tinfoil?
I’ll field this for him. Absolutely nothing will satisfy him, or them. They have closed themselves off to any debate, reason or logic. I’ve yet to see one of the “true believers” leave the dark side.
What part of the rules against name-calling in Great Debates has escaped your attention?
Do not do this, again.
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Here are several discussions of the photographs:
http://www.pimall.com/nais/news/backyard.html
http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/id149.htm
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/griffith/Problems_with_case_against_Oswald.html
Since you brought up the de Mohrenschildt photo, here’s some discussion of that from the third site above:
And since you are so reliant on Marina Oswald’s assertions on the matter, surely you must find her reported statements to be convincing:
Was she right then, or right now?
A spittle-flecked, red-faced name calling rant. That will satisfy me. Good job!
I’m perfectly open to reason, debate and logic. So far, I’ve gotten spittle and answering of questions with questions.
I’m not committed to any assertions about the case, but I’m also troubled by the number of oddities and inconsistencies that exist. They certainly give me enough pause that I wouldn’t feel certain enough to say things like you or Johnny Hildo.
Since we have not actually achieved that particular mode of expression in this thread, I really don’t think we need to make this sort of observation, either.
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