# New York Times : Trump lies at least daily, in public, about clearly verifiable facts **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 24, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761 "2017-06-24T16:11:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/21 "2017-06-24T19:59:22Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Uh, Clintons? > > If the media had been 1/100th as interested in calling them on all their lies and shenanigans, the Clintons would dwarf Trump. It’s most amusing to see how the media has suddenly become so fixated on truth and the facts now that Trump is in office. Read the link. If the 100+ falsehoods attributed to Trump since he became president are false, then refute them. For bonus points, pony up a list of all the Clinton lies. Ha ha, what am I saying? Sharting Fartist wouldn’t know a fact if it somehow got lodged between his tongue and Trump’s asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/22 "2017-06-24T20:06:53Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > What’s amazing to me is that Trump lies so often you would think he would be better at it. But he’s an absolutely terrible liar. He’s only now getting to the point where developing the skill would help him. Up 'till he ran for president, when he lied, he could just wave some money around, and everyone (except for the people he was lying to fuck over) would fall over themselves pretending to believe. Now people have incentive to call him out on his bullshit, or at least less incentive to go along with it. And he’s entirely unequipped to deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/23 "2017-06-24T20:06:59Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Always with the yeah-butt. Can’t ever just admit that Trump is a pathological liar and leave it at that. As if any lies Clintons ever told absolves Trump of any wrong doing. The point isn’t that Clinton lies absolve Trump. Rather, it’s a condemnation of the media for ignoring the lies and deceptive behavior of Democrat politicians while Trumpeting (sorry) those of Republicans. Biased and hypocritical reporting by the mainstream media has proven counterproductive (the rise of Limbaugh and Fox, for example). The roughly 50/50 divide in votership hasn’t been diminished in the slightest despite their best efforts all these years. And it’s lead to the situation we have currently where we have the liberal news media and the conservative news media, each of whose audience watches or reads in order to hear what they want to hear. One would think they’d learn. Unfortunately the liberal contingent in this country seems immune or uncaring as to the damage it does itself in its zeal to wallow in self-righteousness. Witness Hollywood, for example, whose ticket sales are nowhere what they would be were most of its populace not busily engaged in pissing off half the country. Witness also the blowback by the three quarters of American society that doesn’t identify as liberal, which has resulted in the Republican party being in control of most of the country’s governorships, the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and for a long time, the Supreme Court. Time and time again we’re heard from the small number of liberals who get it that non-stop attacks on everyone who doesn’t agree with you is both a turn off and self-defeating, and yet most of the liberal voices in the country have made clear their intention to double down and engage in even more of it. Well, hooray for my side, I guess, but still I’d prefer things run the way they were when adults were still in charge and people and politicians could disagree while acknowledging the other side has what it thinks is best at heart while remaining friends despite their disagreement. ---
**Author:** ![igor\_frankensteen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/839c29/32.png) [@igor\_frankensteen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/igor_frankensteen)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/24 "2017-06-24T20:12:31Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > For the 2 or so remaining Trump supporters on this forum, how do you reconcile your support with [something this damning](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/100000005182490.mobile.html)? How do you expect ‘your man’ to do what you want when his view of reality appears to be distorted to be what he wants it to be instead of the truth? > > I don’t think he will be removed from office by the Senate. While investigations may be ongoing, I doubt a smoking gun, at least one smoking \*enough \*for Republican senators to act, will ever be found. > > But he does in fact appear to be a liar. On a scale far beyond others like Hillary… I’ve seen this kind of fan behavior many many times now, so I think I have at least the most obvious correct answer for you. ``` His most loyal followers, the ones who continue to complain when OTHERS lie, but excuse all of Trumps lies, do so for the usual short list of cover stories. ``` - Trump’s lies are all STRATEGIC. They are part of a deep plot to accomplish all the goals they think he promised them to pursue. - Trump’s lies are REVENGE for the lies of others. And of course, it’s always okay to lie a a form of REVENGE, provided it’s against people who they don’t like. - Trumps lies are caused by the people who he lies to. That is, his opponents are so vile and horrible, he HAS to lie, just to fend them off, or to treat them in the horrid fashion which they so richly deserve, for being his opponents. - The most childish cover story, someone actually posted above somewhere: “the other people did it FIRST! So that makes it okay and praiseworthy when our guy does it!” Most mature adults wont even let the smallest child get away with that tripe, but some of them will declare it to be proof of Godhood, when it’s necessary to blind themselves to their own insistent stupidity. And I say stupidity very carefully there, because the only word we have for people who have declared that they are incapable of learning, IS “stupidity.” Basically, Trump’s most dedicated followers actually love him BECAUSE HE LIES AND LIES AND LIES. When opponents write up lists of all his lies, they laugh with glee and celebrate them. Oh, and by the way, he wont bring about peace in the M.E. But I have no doubt whatsoever, given his now VERY long history of doing so over and over again, that he will insist on taking credit for absolutely anything positive which DOES end up happening there, especially if it is because of actions which were taken by previous Presidents, long before he even decided to run. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/25 "2017-06-24T20:17:43Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The point isn’t that Clinton lies absolve Trump. Rather, it’s a condemnation of the media for ignoring the lies and deceptive behavior of Democrat politicians while Trumpeting (sorry) those of Republicans. Then how is it everyone knows about the Clintons’ lies? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/26 "2017-06-24T20:41:00Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The point isn’t that Clinton lies absolve Trump. Rather, it’s a condemnation of the media for ignoring the lies and deceptive behavior of Democrat politicians What “ignoring”? The lies and deceptions of Democrat **ic** (note correct spelling of “Democratic” as adjective) politicians are picked to pieces in the media all the time. What seems to be bothering you is the fact that most people other than ill-informed conservative zealots are simply less upset about the lies of Democrats (note correct spelling of “Democrats” as noun), because they’re far less numerous and less egregious than those of Republicans. [QUOTE=Starving Artist] Unfortunately the liberal contingent in this country seems immune or uncaring as to the damage it does itself in its zeal to wallow in self-righteousness. Witness Hollywood, for example, whose ticket sales are nowhere what they would be were most of its populace not busily engaged in pissing off half the country. [/quote] :rolleyes: Once again, **Starving Artist** constructs an “argument” based on his own wishful thinking about what he **imagines** would happen if some large-scale cultural phenomenon were different in some vaguely specified way. In the real world, of course, the Hollywood film industry overall is extremely successful while films that cater to the ill-informed conservative zealot demographic (which **Starving Artist** mistakenly imagines to be “half the country”) tend to do quite lackluster business. [QUOTE=Starving Artist] Witness also the blowback by the three quarters of American society that doesn’t identify as liberal, which has resulted in the Republican party being in control of most of the country’s governorships, the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and for a long time, the Supreme Court. [/quote] Nah, the blowback in American society is largely due to anger about the results of Republican policies, which Republican politicians have successfully and dishonestly managed to blame on liberal ideology (aided by decades of excessively yielding and bipartisan Democratic politicians too intimidated to stand up for what liberal ideology actually is). Look at the remarkable popular success of the Sanders campaign in channeling that anger to its rightful conservative targets, simply by being forthright about what liberalism actually stands for and what citizens actually ought to expect from their government. [QUOTE=Starving Artist] Time and time again we’re heard from the small number of liberals who get it that non-stop attacks on everyone who doesn’t agree with you is both a turn off and self-defeating [/quote] If that were really true, the Republicans as a party would be doing far worse than they are. It’s true that **your** non-stop attacks on everyone who doesn’t agree with you are both a turn off and self-defeating, but on these boards your attacks don’t have the financial backing, widespread political corruption, PR expertise, or credulously ignorant audience that the Republican party organization benefits from. [QUOTE=Starving Artist] but still I’d prefer things run the way they were when adults were still in charge and people and politicians could disagree while acknowledging the other side has what it thinks is best at heart while remaining friends despite their disagreement. [/QUOTE] You can’t justify willful blindness and dishonesty by demanding them in the name of civility. The problem with your rosy-hued scenario is that at present, unlike at many times in the past, the Republican organization **doesn’t** “have what it thinks best at heart”—at least, not what’s best for Americans as a whole. Your controlling elite has now embraced an ideology of supporting **what it thinks best for the interests of wealthy conservatives**. Nobody else’s well-being or liberties really matter to them. Demanding that liberals stop pointing this out because it embarrasses your side and hurts your feelings is both cowardly and dishonest. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/27 "2017-06-24T20:45:44Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Uh, Clintons? > > If the media had been 1/100th as interested in calling them on all their lies and shenanigans, the Clintons would dwarf Trump. It’s most amusing to see how the media has suddenly become so fixated on truth and the facts now that Trump is in office. What specific Clinton lies were not covered to your satisfaction by the media? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/28 "2017-06-24T21:01:26Z")
I don’t think she ever confessed to murdering Vince Foster, but that’s more of a lie of omission. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/29 "2017-06-24T21:07:30Z")
Well, he was omitted in a very emphatic way. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/30 "2017-06-24T21:09:33Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > What specific Clinton lies were not covered to your satisfaction by the media? There’s that whole Lewinsky thing that the press just swept under the carpet. You probably never even heard about it, right? That is, before Trump so bravely outed the story during the campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/31 "2017-06-24T21:13:38Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > All right. Want to play a fun little game? Let’s go lie for lie. You name one lie from Clinton, I name one lie from Trump. I’ll make it even easier for you - my lies have to be unique, meaning that if Clinton repeated a lie on numerous occasions, I have to come up with a new lie from Trump each time. And even easier: my lies have to be of at least similar magnitude or type. So it’s not enough to point out that Trump lied about what he had for breakfast if Clinton lied about what happened in Benghazi. > > Fun game, right? You should have a huge advantage - I have a presidential campaign and half a year of being president to work off of, you have a multi-decadal political career. Should be _easy_, right? Y’wanna start, or should I? Who would judge whether a statement is a lie? Example: > [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > You can’t keep saying ‘fake news’ when the lies are coming right from him and we have access, like the twitter business or all these interviews and recordings from rallies and meetings and the lies about the recordings of those meetings. But Trump’s tweet said: > [@@RealDonaldJTrump](#): > > James Comey better hope that there are no “tapes” of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press! That’s not a lie: he doesn’t claim there are tapes. But I’d say there’s at least an implication that tapes might exist. > [@Clinton](#): > > This is—the great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president. _(In response to Linda Tripp’s revelations)_ Not a lie for several reasons, even though Tripp’s revelations were substantially true. If you played this game, who would judge whether a given statement was a lie? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/32 "2017-06-24T21:15:59Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > This is probably the first time in his life he’s been called on it in public. > > I doubt he’s ever suffered consequences for lying. Of course he hasn’t. After all, until now, he could simply fire people who called him on his lies. Come to think of it, he apparently believes he can still do just that. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/33 "2017-06-24T21:23:34Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > I have a hard time believing anyone can be okay with all the lies I’ve seen from Trump. It’s right there in front of us. You can’t keep saying ‘fake news’ when the lies are coming right from him and we have access, like the twitter business or all these interviews and recordings from rallies and meetings and the lies about the recordings of those meetings. It’s not that they’re okay with his lies. It’s that they simply don’t care because on the rare occasion he tells the truth, he’s telling them he’s going to screw over the very people they hate. You know, immigrants, women, and especially Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/34 "2017-06-24T21:32:12Z")
Remember, he got voted in even after his campaign suggested internment camps for Muslims would be just fine. They even proudly mentioned World War Two camps for Japanese-Americans. You are not dealing with rational people here. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/35 "2017-06-24T21:34:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That’s not a lie: he doesn’t claim there are tapes. But I’d say there’s at least an implication that tapes might exist. Witness intimidation, which has been a tactic he’s used in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/36 "2017-06-24T21:37:04Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Witness intimidation, which has been a tactic he’s used in the past. Yes. But this response is utterly irrelevant to the point I was making: not a lie. To the overall observation that he’s a shitty human, of course, highly relevant. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/37 "2017-06-24T21:53:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The point isn’t that Clinton lies absolve Trump. Rather, it’s a condemnation of the media for ignoring the lies and deceptive behavior of Democrat politicians while Trumpeting (sorry) those of Republicans. > > Biased and hypocritical reporting by the mainstream media has proven counterproductive (the rise of Limbaugh and Fox, for example). The roughly 50/50 divide in votership hasn’t been diminished in the slightest despite their best efforts all these years. And it’s lead to the situation we have currently where we have the liberal news media and the conservative news media, each of whose audience watches or reads in order to hear what they want to hear. > > One would think they’d learn. Unfortunately the liberal contingent in this country seems immune or uncaring as to the damage it does itself in its zeal to wallow in self-righteousness. Witness Hollywood, for example, whose ticket sales are nowhere what they would be were most of its populace not busily engaged in pissing off half the country. Witness also the blowback by the three quarters of American society that doesn’t identify as liberal, which has resulted in the Republican party being in control of most of the country’s governorships, the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and for a long time, the Supreme Court. Time and time again we’re heard from the small number of liberals who get it that non-stop attacks on everyone who doesn’t agree with you is both a turn off and self-defeating, and yet most of the liberal voices in the country have made clear their intention to double down and engage in even more of it. > > Well, hooray for my side, I guess, but still I’d prefer things run the way they were when adults were still in charge and people and politicians could disagree while acknowledging the other side has what it thinks is best at heart while remaining friends despite their disagreement. Well done in blaming liberals for the ills of American discourse while simultaneously calling for us to be courteous and friendly while disagreeing. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/38 "2017-06-24T21:55:00Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Remember, he got voted in even after his campaign suggested internment camps for Muslims would be just fine. They even proudly mentioned World War Two camps for Japanese-Americans. You are not dealing with rational people here. [Uhhhh, not really.](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/29/joaquin-castro/joaquin-castro-says-donald-trump-defended-world-wa/) Trump made some wishy-washy statements about Japanese internment camps, but he never “suggested” internment camps for Muslims. Some guy from a PAC (not a member of Trump’s campaign) suggested that the Japanese Internment during WWII set a precedent for a Muslim registry, but he did not propose Muslim internment camps. Muslim registry? Yes. Internment camp? No. Note that the OP of this thread is a troll, too, btw. Let’s not feed him. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/39 "2017-06-24T21:56:09Z")
This explains his Nomex underwear. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/40 "2017-06-24T21:57:22Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > There’s that whole Lewinsky thing that the press just swept under the carpet. You probably never even heard about it, right? That is, before Trump so bravely outed the story during the campaign. What the heck is a Lewinsky? Is that some kind of WMD? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761.md?page=3)