# New York Times : Trump lies at least daily, in public, about clearly verifiable facts **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 24, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761 "2017-06-24T16:11:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/121 "2017-06-25T23:45:16Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Holy crap. > > You’re just not smart. > > Someone else explain to him what he has misunderstood here. Please. It’s tempting, but no. While pointing out that he is doing the same thing you do to many other people is hilarious, I don’t have any obligation to defend someone who repeatedly uses dishonest tactics. It’s frustrating, isn’t it? When people interpret your words literally when your context clearly indicates a different meaning? The laws did pass in the House. If you’ll admit to those shitty tactics you have been using and say you’ll at least try to stop using them, then I will defend you. But I do not want to reward such tactics by defending you against them when you seem to think they are perfectly acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/122 "2017-06-26T00:27:55Z")
Thread needs more Devo. I’ve been drinking. Watch this one before Neil vanishes it from Youtube. [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkts3DH11vY) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/123 "2017-06-26T00:53:49Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It’s tempting, but no. While pointing out that he is doing the same thing you do to many other people is hilarious, I don’t have any obligation to defend someone who repeatedly uses dishonest tactics. > > It’s frustrating, isn’t it? When people interpret your words literally when your context clearly indicates a different meaning? The laws did pass in the House. > > If you’ll admit to those shitty tactics you have been using and say you’ll at least try to stop using them, then I will defend you. But I do not want to reward such tactics by defending you against them when you seem to think they are perfectly acceptable. Not remotely what I do. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/124 "2017-06-26T00:55:46Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’d give it a shot, if you promise that you’ll apologize to him the moment Trump signs that bill. Why would I apologize? I would certainly say, “Bumping this thread to point out that the statement would now be a lie,” though. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/125 "2017-06-26T01:08:31Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I’ve never seen you at a loss of words before. Never debate with a stop sign my good man, as they say, the stop sign likes it, and you just get frustrated. Wise advice. I have gone many years with only one name on my ignore list. Today I realize that aggressive stupidity doesn’t need to be rebutted. It can be ignored. Bye, BigT. Bye, Snowboarder Bo. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/126 "2017-06-26T01:26:57Z")
Let’s say somebody went through the trouble of analyzing all of Clinton and Obama’s encyclopedia of speeches for lies. What the fuck difference does that make? Does that all the sudden absolve Trump of his lies? Personally, I’d bet more of Trump’s lies are rooted in ignorance, rather than intentional deception. Plus, he gave up honesty and integrity a long time ago so he could be a winner. Winners never consider themselves wrong, and surround themselves with toadies to shift blame to whenever convenient. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/127 "2017-06-26T01:28:33Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Wise advice. I have gone many years with only one name on my ignore list. Today I realize that aggressive stupidity doesn’t need to be rebutted. It can be ignored. > > Bye, BigT. Bye, Snowboarder Bo. Congrats. You’ve now gone full **Clothahump.** And yes - this is the exact tactic that you use; Parsing words with a fine-toothed comb in order to find a loophole. Sucks doesn’t it? And when you’re on the receiving end, you’ll just stick your fingers in your ears. Well done. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/128 "2017-06-26T01:30:02Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Why would I apologize? Well, if not that, then some recognition of your personal failings, then. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/129 "2017-06-26T02:32:50Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Congrats. You’ve now gone full **Clothahump.** Not quite. **Bricker** is no fan of Not-Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/130 "2017-06-26T03:00:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Uh, Clintons? > > If the media had been 1/100th as interested in calling them on all their lies and shenanigans, the Clintons would dwarf Trump. It’s most amusing to see how the media has suddenly become so fixated on truth and the facts now that Trump is in office. Can you detail all the lies the Clintons told? Trump lies almost daily, what evidence do you have that the Clintons lie on that level? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/131 "2017-06-26T03:04:50Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Dark, damp burrows. In the 1950s ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/132 "2017-06-26T03:12:04Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Personally, I’d bet more of Trump’s lies are rooted in ignorance, rather than intentional deception. Plus, he gave up honesty and integrity a long time ago so he could be a winner. I have a slightly different take on it. Imagine accusing a atheist of apostasy for abandoning his piety toward a faith he never held. The acuusation just makes no sense: the idea of religious observance as a part of the atheist’s character and his life just simply has no place. This is generally the same as criticizing Trump for not being honest. The whole concept of honesty simply has no place in Trump’s character. The concept of being honest or dishonest has literally no bearing on how he sees himself. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/133 "2017-06-26T03:27:19Z")
Yes, the OP is great illustration for ‘never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity’. A lot of those are not so much lies as much as they are idiotic blather. We shouldn’t be mad at the lies, just embarrassed that we elected such a dumbass. He probably believes his own bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/134 "2017-06-26T03:28:35Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > What the heck is a Lewinsky? Is that some kind of WMD? Awesome! Reminds me of when, circa 2005, people asked each other, “Why can’t GWB just have someone give him a blow job already, so we can get rid of that murderer of thousands (in unnecessary combat deaths)?” ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/135 "2017-06-26T03:38:33Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Can you detail all the lies the Clintons told? Trump lies almost daily, what evidence do you have that the Clintons lie on that level? Are you new here? That’s the only explanation I can think of for asking **SA** for ‘evidence’. **SA** doesn’t use, provide, or evaluate ‘evidence’. He’s comfortable with his own ‘feelings’ and with what ‘everyone knows’. No matter how incorrect, even stupid, that might be. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/136 "2017-06-26T04:36:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Wise advice. I have gone many years with only one name on my ignore list. Today I realize that aggressive stupidity doesn’t need to be rebutted. It can be ignored. > > Bye, BigT. Bye, Snowboarder Bo. I win. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/137 "2017-06-26T04:56:28Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Can you detail all the lies the Clintons told? Trump lies almost daily, what evidence do you have that the Clintons lie on that level? Daily? You misspelled “all day”. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/138 "2017-06-26T05:06:56Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Now you’ve got me thinking Well, that would be a nice change, but it doesn’t seem to be actually happening. You continue to insist on erroneous claims about the media and the public ignoring lies by Democratic politicians, even after you’ve been shown to be wrong. That’s not what thinking people do. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Trump’s supporters are continuing to support him despite his lies because they believe the significance of the things he will accomplish far outweigh whatever importance attaches to his lies. True, to the extent that “things he will accomplish” is synonymous in the Trump-supporter mindset with Pissing Off the Liberals. Trump supporters in general don’t know or care what Trump will actually “accomplish” or whether it will actually be good for their interests or the country or the world. They have been reduced by decades of right-wing media bloviation to such a condition of ignorant partisan spite that all they really care about is Pissing Off the Liberals. As long as Trump can be counted on to do and say things that make liberals horrified and angry, his supporters will go on gleefully championing him without knowing or caring in the least how much he’s lying, corrupt, incompetent and/or downright delusional. In fact, the more unfit for office he shows himself to be and the more liberal outrage his unfitness provokes, the happier he’ll make his supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/139 "2017-06-26T05:11:07Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > Are you new here? That’s the only explanation I can think of for asking **SA** for ‘evidence’. **SA** doesn’t use, provide, or evaluate ‘evidence’. He’s comfortable with his own ‘feelings’ and with what ‘everyone knows’. No matter how incorrect, even stupid, that might be. So…Trump? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761/140 "2017-06-26T05:17:13Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > So…Trump? Hey that’s not fair. I can remember specifically an incidence where SA attempted to use a scientific simulation to determine if a particular shower-assault was possible. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-trump-lies-at-least-daily-in-public-about-clearly-verifiable-facts/789761.md?page=8)