# New York Tines: Trump plans to pardon Scooter Libby. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 13, 2018, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-tines-trump-plans-to-pardon-scooter-libby/812330 "2018-04-13T04:05:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-tines-trump-plans-to-pardon-scooter-libby/812330/1 "2018-04-13T04:05:15Z")
> **[Trump Plans to Pardon Scooter Libby for Perjury in C.I.A. Leak Case...](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/12/us/politics/trump-pardon-scooter-libby.html)** > > The president’s action would wipe out the perjury and obstruction convictions of Mr. Libby, who was Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff. > [@](#): > > President Trump plans to pardon I. Lewis Libby Jr., who as chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney was convicted of perjury in connection with the leak of a C.I.A. officer’s identity, a person familiar with the decision said on Thursday. > … > Critics of Mr. Trump quickly interpreted the prospective pardon as a signal by the president that he would protect those who refuse to turn on their bosses, as Mr. Libby was presumed not to have betrayed Mr. Cheney. Mr. Trump has not ruled out pardons in the Russia investigation. My first thought was that this was intended to by a distraction from the Cohen story (among other things) but the signal theory also seems plausible to me. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-tines-trump-plans-to-pardon-scooter-libby/812330/2 "2018-04-13T04:12:34Z")
Wow, great job with the swamp. Between this and John Bolton, are we about to discover leaked footage of Donald Trump blowing Jeb Bush? Is that why they went at it so hot’n’heavy during the debates? I mostly remember Libby’s name because, though I only vaguely followed politics at the time, I remember reading that he wrote a fucked-up book called _The Apprentice_ (yeah, I know - life is funny that way, isn’t it?) where a guy fucks a deer and a girl fucks a bear. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-tines-trump-plans-to-pardon-scooter-libby/812330/3 "2018-04-13T04:22:44Z")
Obviously the subject line should say “New York Ti **m** es”, rather than “Tines”. Maybe a mod can fix it. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-tines-trump-plans-to-pardon-scooter-libby/812330/4 "2018-04-13T05:01:58Z")
You could say it’s really forked up. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-tines-trump-plans-to-pardon-scooter-libby/812330/5 "2018-04-13T06:48:35Z")
When Rachel Maddow brought this up tonight my first thought was meh - but then I figured it might be a signal to all Trump’s buddies under the gun that he will pardon them also. Piss on that, I say. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-tines-trump-plans-to-pardon-scooter-libby/812330/6 "2018-04-13T12:58:26Z")
It just seems bizarre to me that Libby would still be trolling for a pardon at this late date. Can’t unring the bell. He already got his law license and voting rights restored. And the public are not going to forget his equivocating and lying that led to his conviction. So what does Libby think he is going to gain by this? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-tines-trump-plans-to-pardon-scooter-libby/812330/7 "2018-04-13T13:09:57Z")
> [@Jacquernagy](#): > > You could say it’s really forked up. \*\* golf clap \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-tines-trump-plans-to-pardon-scooter-libby/812330/8 "2018-04-13T13:21:05Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > When Rachel Maddow brought this up tonight my first thought was meh - but then I figured it might be a signal to all Trump’s buddies under the gun that he will pardon them also. I suppose with 11 (?) people under indictment now, it varies from person to person but I believe some of them at least still have potential state-level charges hanging out there where the president couldn’t pardon them. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-tines-trump-plans-to-pardon-scooter-libby/812330/9 "2018-04-13T13:32:20Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I suppose with 11 (?) people under indictment now, it varies from person to person but I believe some of them at least still have potential state-level charges hanging out there where the president couldn’t pardon them. I have absolutely no faith that Mueller will ever bring charges against Trump. But the nature of charges brought against those sullied by his investigation will indeed be very telling. Trump’s pardoning of Arpaio, before he was even tried & convicted, is as bright a signal as anyone needs to indicate Trump will disappear any federal charges brought against his minions. Any federal charges are only tokens at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-tines-trump-plans-to-pardon-scooter-libby/812330/10 "2018-04-13T14:32:10Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > I have absolutely no faith that Mueller will ever bring charges against Trump. But the nature of charges brought against those sullied by his investigation will indeed be very telling. Trump’s pardoning of Arpaio, before he was even tried & convicted, is as bright a signal as anyone needs to indicate Trump will disappear any federal charges brought against his minions. Any federal charges are only tokens at this point. \ Arpaio was tried and convicted. Trump issued a pardon before Arpaio could be sentenced. \ > **[Ex-Sheriff Joe Arpaio Convicted Of Criminal Contempt](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/31/540629884/ex-sheriff-joe-arpaio-convicted-of-criminal-contempt)** > > The former sheriff for Maricopa County, Ariz., was found guilty Monday of willfully ignoring a federal judge's order. The case stemmed from his campaign against illegal immigration. > **[Federal Judge Will Not Void Guilty Ruling On Arpaio, Despite Trump's Pardon](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/20/558978896/federal-judge-will-not-void-guilty-ruling-on-arpaio-despite-trumps-pardon)** > > Citing legal precedents, Bolton said that while a pardon removes the threat of punishment, it does not "blot out guilt." ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-tines-trump-plans-to-pardon-scooter-libby/812330/11 "2018-04-13T14:36:37Z")
There really _should_ be a NYC restaurant review guide called **The New York Tines**. (And also, a Chinese-Jewish fusion restaurant called **Chewish**.) ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-tines-trump-plans-to-pardon-scooter-libby/812330/12 "2018-04-13T14:52:19Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > \ Arpaio was tried and convicted. Trump issued a pardon before Arpaio could be sentenced. \ > > [Ex-Sheriff Joe Arpaio Convicted Of Criminal Contempt : The Two-Way : NPR](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/31/540629884/ex-sheriff-joe-arpaio-convicted-of-criminal-contempt) > > [Arpaio Conviction: Federal Judge Will Not Void Guilty Ruling, Despite Trump's Pardon : The Two-Way : NPR](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/20/558978896/federal-judge-will-not-void-guilty-ruling-on-arpaio-despite-trumps-pardon) You come in here with your nitpick and your cites…Fie to you! FIE I say! This is MY universe, and MY timeline! Your facts…they mean nothing!