# New York to issue letters of marque / Cuomo might have gone insane **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 4, 2018, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596 "2018-05-04T19:51:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/1 "2018-05-04T19:51:17Z")
> [@](#): > > New York Governor Andrew Cuomo vowed to enlist a “citizens fleet” of leisure boats and fishing vessels to block any attempt to construct oil-drilling facilities off the state’s shores, as part of a broad attack on President Donald Trump’s environmental and energy policies. [source](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-04/cuomo-promises-a-dunkirk-style-citizens-fleet-to-block-drilling) > [@](#): > > “There is no way, no how we will allow off-shore drilling,” Cuomo says, vowing lawsuits. > > Says he’s going to commission “a citizen fleet” and go out and interfere with their federal efforts. > > “If you think I’m kidding, I’m not” > > He may or may not be… [source](https://twitter.com/GannettAlbany/status/992420855702605824) This seems … crazy. I’m wondering if Cuomo is drunk, high, insane, or some combination of the three. On the upside, I would pay cold hard cash to watch Antifa’s navy square off against a bunch of oil workers / Coast Guard / the US Navy. Whale Wars 2.0 would have at least one avid fan (me). ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/2 "2018-05-04T19:58:38Z")
He needs to wait for International Talk Like a Pirate Day, so this might take a while. Regarrrrrrds, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/3 "2018-05-04T20:03:17Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > … > On the upside, I would pay cold hard cash to watch Antifa’s navy square off against a bunch of oil workers / Coast Guard / the US Navy. Whale Wars 2.0 would have at least one avid fan (me). I read both of your cites, neither said shit about antifa. Those guys sure have your goat, huh? Anyway, from the first cite: “The Trump administration policy, which would open 90 percent of U.S. offshore oil reserves to private development, has attracted bipartisan opposition from most of the governors of the 22 coastal states it would affect.” Some more passionately and outside the boxy I guess. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/4 "2018-05-04T20:06:48Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I read both of your cites, neither said shit about antifa. Those guys sure have your goat, huh? Anyway, from the first cite: > “The Trump administration policy, which would open 90 percent of U.S. offshore oil reserves to private development, has attracted bipartisan opposition from most of the governors of the 22 coastal states it would affect.” > Some more passionately and outside the boxy I guess. [Trump Administration Drops Florida From Offshore Drilling Plan](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/09/climate/trump-florida-offshore-drilling.html) > [@](#): > > The Trump administration said Tuesday it had ruled out drilling for oil and gas off the coast of Florida after strong opposition from the state’s Republican governor, Rick Scott. > > Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke moved last week to allow new offshore oil and gas drilling in nearly all United States coastal waters, opening more than a billion acres in the Arctic, Pacific, Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico to potential leases. The decision prompted an outcry from Republican and Democratic governors alike on both coasts. > > “I support the governor’s position that Florida is unique and its coasts are heavily reliant on tourism as an economic driver,” Mr. Zinke said in a statement after meeting Governor Scott in Florida. “I am removing Florida from consideration for any new oil and gas platforms.” Remind me again where the Orange Turd-Blossom’s weekend retreat is. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/5 "2018-05-04T20:09:58Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I read both of your cites, neither said shit about antifa. … Yes, “Antifa’s navy” was a joke (as was “letters of marque”). The goal would appear to be to use lawlessness / violence / destruction to disrupt legal activities they disagree with, so it seems to be in line with Antifa’s typical M.O. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/6 "2018-05-04T20:16:24Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yes, “Antifa’s navy” was a joke (as was “letters of marque”). The goal would appear to be to use lawlessness / violence / destruction to disrupt legal activities they disagree with, so it seems to be in line with Antifa’s typical M.O. Where’s the lawlessness / violence / destruction in the article? Or is that another “joke”? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/7 "2018-05-04T20:18:12Z")
Protests on the high seas? Sounds like something the Tea Party will support. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/8 "2018-05-04T20:23:29Z")
As an avid sport fisherman and boater, I am behind this 100%. I am fucking sick and tired of having the environment fucked up by polluters who have no regard for nature, no regard for the beauty of the ocean or lakes, no regard for fishing, no regard for health, no regard for anything. We have enough goddamn oil drilling rigs in this country already. Private corporations should absolutely not be allowed to rape the environment that was here before us and will be here when we’re gone (unless we destroy it first.) Civil disobedience and interference with the oil operations is not the same as an act of war, and although I absolutely do not condone any violence against the personnel of either the oil rigs or any government vessels that are sent in to protect them, I do condone civil disobedience. Mario Savio, who was a 60s radical (and I am most certainly _not_ a 60s-style radical and I am avowedly anti-Communist), said that “there’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part! You can’t even passively take part! And you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels…upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop!” And I agree with that wholeheartedly when it comes to protecting the environment. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/9 "2018-05-04T20:24:49Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Where’s the lawlessness / violence / destruction in the article? Or is that another “joke”? From the Twitter description of the speech: > [@](#): > > Says he’s going to commission “a citizen fleet” and go out and interfere with their federal efforts. What do you imagine Cuomo’s “citizen fleet” might do to “interfere”? Do you think those activities are likely to be lawful, non-violent, and not destructive? I’d actually love to find a transcript / video of exactly what he said, but I haven’t been able to locate it yet. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/10 "2018-05-04T20:28:02Z")
> [@Jacquernagy](#): > > … you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels…upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop!" And I agree with that wholeheartedly when it comes to protecting the environment. Go for it. It’ll probably get you killed, and laughed at, but if you feel passionately about it, you should totally do it. One small request: please take a GoPro and livestream it, for the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/11 "2018-05-04T20:29:43Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > From the **Twitter description of the speech** : > > What do you imagine Cuomo’s “citizen fleet” might do to “interfere”? Do you think those activities are likely to be lawful, non-violent, and not destructive? > > I’d actually love to find a transcript / video of exactly what he said, but I haven’t been able to locate it yet. Talk about your reliable source. Maybe you should wait and get the facts first. i would imagine they could just get in the way of the ships. Kind of like the man and the tanks in Tienanmen Square. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/12 "2018-05-04T20:41:52Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Kind of like the man and the tanks in Tienanmen Square. That was hilarious! Oh, how we laughed and laughed at that silly man. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/13 "2018-05-04T20:43:25Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > … i would imagine they could just get in the way of the ships. … Do you think “just get in the way of the ships” is likely to be a lawful maritime activity? Do you think it has potential to be destructive? Do you remember when the Sea Shepherds tried that? [This was the result](https://youtu.be/yseD1sKZiJk?t=1m26s). ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/14 "2018-05-04T20:53:16Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Do you think “just get in the way of the ships” is likely to be a lawful maritime activity? Do you think it has potential to be destructive? Do you remember when the Sea Shepherds tried that? [This was the result](https://youtu.be/yseD1sKZiJk?t=1m26s). That risk is on the protestors, right? What do you care as long as some environment gets wrecked in the name of profits? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/15 "2018-05-04T20:59:58Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > That risk is on the protestors, right? What do you care as long as some environment gets wrecked in the name of profits? Unfortunately, the risk may not entirely be on the protesters. The protesters could put others in danger as well. The ocean is a dangerous enough place already, and it gets more dangerous when fuckheads decide to try to play dangerous games with people who are going about their business on it. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/16 "2018-05-04T21:06:11Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Unfortunately, the risk may not entirely be on the protesters. The protesters could put others in danger as well. The ocean is a dangerous enough place already, and it gets more dangerous when fuckheads decide to try to play dangerous games with people who are going about their business on it. Business, that’s the ticket, right? How about not allowing more drilling offshore? Trump already protected Mar-A-Lago from possible damage. Obviously, even he sees a risk. > [@](#): > > Yet since the iconic 1969 oil well blowout in Santa Barbara, California, there have been at least 44 oil spills, each over 10,000 barrels (420,000 gallons), affecting U.S. waters. The largest of which was the 2010 Deepwater Horizon well blowout in the Gulf of Mexico. > [NOAA](https://response.restoration.noaa.gov/oil-and-chemical-spills/oil-spills/largest-oil-spills-affecting-us-waters-1969.html) > NOAA’s Office of Response and Restoration has created the following graphic listing these spills based on records and information from its Emergency Response Division. While every effort has been made to develop a complete list, there may be additional incidents that NOAA was not involved in responding to and therefore are not represented here. Since the added drilling will be as unregulated as possible, can you guarantee no spills? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/17 "2018-05-04T21:12:20Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Business, that’s the ticket, right? Sure (“[it’s the economy, stupid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy,_stupid)”), I’m enjoying the stock market rise, GDP growth, and low unemployment. About my only complaint currently would be the high gas prices, but hey, maybe this will help that. > [@running\_coach](#): > > How about not allowing more drilling offshore? Or (and this seems to be the direction we’re going) we could keep drilling offshore. > [@running\_coach](#): > > Since the added drilling will be as unregulated as possible, can you guarantee no spills? Of course I can’t “guarantee” it. However, given that all the previous spills have not exactly amounted to the death of the planet, I think we’ll get over it if it does happen. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/18 "2018-05-04T21:20:30Z")
What stock market rise? It’s been fluttering around 24,000 since late Jan. Unemployment has been stagnant for quite a while. looks like the GDP is not growing [like it was.](https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth) [This looks](https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth) like it did some growing during the Obama years.(10Y setting) You didn’t enjoy that? I think you should volunteer your property for drilling or a coal mine or such. Put your own things at risk. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/19 "2018-05-04T21:34:24Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > What stock market rise? It’s been fluttering around 24,000 since late Jan. … I suppose either one of us could pick an arbitrary time frame to make whichever side of this argument we like. S&P 500 when DJT took office: 2,271.31 S&P 500 today: 2,663.42 > [@running\_coach](#): > > … Unemployment has been stagnant for quite a while. … Maybe you should let the NYT know. They’ll probably need to issue a correction: [NYT - Unemployment Rate Hits 3.9%, a Rare Low, as Job Market Becomes More Competitive](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/business/economy/jobs-report.html) > [@running\_coach](#): > > … I think you should volunteer your property for drilling or a coal mine or such. Put your own things at risk. What you think I should do with my property doesn’t really interest me. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/20 "2018-05-04T21:38:28Z")
6 months of 4.1. That’s stagnant. NIMBYism at it’s finest. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596.md?page=2)