# New York to issue letters of marque / Cuomo might have gone insane **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 4, 2018, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596 "2018-05-04T19:51:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/21 "2018-05-04T22:11:05Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > 6 months of 4.1. That’s stagnant. Meh, [one year ago it was 4.4%, now it’s 3.9%](https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000). That’s an improvement. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/22 "2018-05-04T22:16:02Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Meh, [one year ago it was 4.4%, now it’s 3.9%](https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000). That’s an improvement. I thought the Dear Leader said it was actually 50%. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/23 "2018-05-04T22:17:50Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I thought the Dear Leader said it was actually 50%. Huh? Cite, I guess, because I’m totally lost about what you’re talking about. It doesn’t seem relevant to the discussion about unemployment rates in the last six months or year. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/24 "2018-05-04T22:26:08Z")
I don’t really give a damn about Trump’s other policies. I think he’s a huge shmuck and a very embarrassing leader to have representing us on the world stage; but I don’t think he’s some kind of fascist dictator as some people would have us believe. I would never have voted for him, _but_ if there was some kind of hypothetical guarantee that the environment would suffer less under Trump than under another president, I would rather have Trump then. The environment is the most important thing. Our natural resources, which include the sea, forests, and the atmosphere and the air that we breathe, is _more important than anything else_. Whatever it takes to protect the environment, that’s what I’m in favor of doing. If we don’t protect the environment from destruction, we are no different from the crowds of people who stood by as Jesus was crucified. We are no different from the crowds of people who worshipped a golden calf, a status object that personified greed, while people were enslaved and oppressed. If you believe that God created this planet, then LOVE THE PLANET OR YOU ARE STABBING GOD IN THE HEART. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/25 "2018-05-04T22:34:08Z")
“Hey, if God didn’t _want_ to get stabbed in the heart, he’d move, right? So not my fault; now gedowdaheer.” ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/26 "2018-05-04T22:34:10Z")
> [@Jacquernagy](#): > > … Whatever it takes to protect the environment, that’s what I’m in favor of doing. … Up to and including civil disobedience, but stopping short of violence, right? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/27 "2018-05-04T22:35:11Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Up to and including civil disobedience, but stopping short of violence, right? Who gets to define what is “violence” and what is not? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/28 "2018-05-04T22:36:35Z")
> [@Jacquernagy](#): > > As an avid sport fisherman and boater, I am behind this 100%. I am fucking sick and tired of having the environment fucked up by polluters who have no regard for nature, no regard for the beauty of the ocean or lakes, no regard for fishing, no regard for health, no regard for anything. We have enough goddamn oil drilling rigs in this country already. Private corporations should absolutely not be allowed to rape the environment that was here before us and will be here when we’re gone (unless we destroy it first.) > > Civil disobedience and interference with the oil operations is not the same as an act of war, and although I absolutely do not condone any violence against the personnel of either the oil rigs or any government vessels that are sent in to protect them, I do condone civil disobedience. > > Mario Savio, who was a 60s radical (and I am most certainly _not_ a 60s-style radical and I am avowedly anti-Communist), said that “there’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part! You can’t even passively take part! And you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels…upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop!” And I agree with that wholeheartedly when it comes to protecting the environment. So how are these fools getting out to these oil platforms? A rowboat? How are they getting to the dock? A bicycle made with no petroleum products and lubricated with corn oil? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/29 "2018-05-04T22:38:02Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Who gets to define what is “violence” and what is not? :dubious: Well, we already have laws and legal precedents that do so, so judges & juries I guess. ETA: in exigent circumstances, the victim of violence may have to decide, or [the US Navy](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/somali-pirates-fire-on-us-warship-lose/) / Coast Guard. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/30 "2018-05-04T22:40:20Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So how are these fools getting out to these oil platforms? A rowboat? How are they getting to the dock? A bicycle made with no petroleum products and lubricated with corn oil? Most of them don’t actually mind drilling, they just want it to happen somewhere else, where they don’t have to see it. What was it **running coach** said earlier? “NIMBYism at it’s finest.” Yes. That’s exactly what Cuomo and his “citizen fleet” are. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/31 "2018-05-04T22:47:45Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Most of them don’t actually mind drilling, they just want it to happen somewhere else, where they don’t have to see it. What was it **running coach** said earlier? “NIMBYism at it’s finest.” Yes. That’s exactly what Cuomo and his “citizen fleet” are. No, they’re saying “Don’t drill, period.” _You’re_ saying “drill, baby, drill” somewhere it doesn’t affect _me_. Remember, Trump already played the NIMBY card in Florida. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/32 "2018-05-04T22:48:47Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So how are these fools getting out to these oil platforms? A rowboat? How are they getting to the dock? A bicycle made with no petroleum products and lubricated with corn oil? We already have enough oil and petroleum products without setting up new drilling rigs. We _can_ eventually develop cleaner alternatives to them; and in the interim, I believe they should be taxed higher to incentivize the development of said alternatives. I am not anti-industry, not in the slightest. I just believe it needs to be re-geared, as it were, with better materials. I am 100% positive that we have the scientific ingenuity in this country to develop vehicles that are not only cleaner, but far faster and more powerful, than ones that rely on combustion, and to make petroleum-powered engines as obsolete as a horse and carriage. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/33 "2018-05-04T22:56:57Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > **Most of them don’t actually mind drilling, they just want it to happen somewhere else, where they don’t have to see it**. What was it **running coach** said earlier? “NIMBYism at it’s finest.” Yes. That’s exactly what Cuomo and his “citizen fleet” are. And you know the bolded part how, exactly? You read their minds? _All_ of their minds? :dubious: ETA: Is there any part of your contributions to this, your own thread, that are factual? The OP talked of letters of marque and Antifa’s navy, for instance; just how much of this is stuff you made up? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/34 "2018-05-04T23:05:05Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > No, they’re saying “Don’t drill, period.” What do you think Andrew Cuomo’s carbon footprint is? He may be _saying_ “Don’t drill, period.” but his _actions_ certainly don’t indicate a willingness to forego the benefits of oil drilling. He’s a hypocrite (as is virtually everyone who says “Don’t drill, period.”). > [@running\_coach](#): > > … _You’re_ saying “drill, baby, drill” somewhere it doesn’t affect _me_ … I’m fairly certain you’re wrong and I never said this. I said IDGAF what _you_ think _I_ should do with _my_ property, not that I was opposed to drilling on it. Frankly, for a handsome sum, I’d be delighted to sell my property to Exxon Mobil or whoever. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/35 "2018-05-04T23:08:15Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > And you know the bolded part how, exactly? You read their minds? _All_ of their minds? :dubious: I think it’s fairly-well-indicated by how often most of them make use of oil-based products in their daily lives, which, at a guess, is almost all of them almost every day. > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > ETA: Is there any part of your contributions to this, your own thread, that are factual? The OP talked of letters of marque and Antifa’s navy, for instance; just how much of this is stuff you made up? Try reading the OP again. The meat of it is two sourced quotes. Do you think Bloomberg just made up the Cuomo quote about a “citizen fleet”? I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/36 "2018-05-04T23:09:17Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > And you know the bolded part how, exactly? You read their minds? _All_ of their minds? > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/smilies/dubious.gif](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/smilies/dubious.gif) > > ETA: Is there any part of your contributions to this, your own thread, that are factual? The OP talked of letters of marque and Antifa’s navy, for instance; just how much of this is stuff you made up? OP did respond to my post #3, but nothing about the bipartisian opposition to the drilling proposal. Just enough of a response to defend his jitters about the bad guys haunting him. But let’s just remember 3 things: 1. Democratic politician: Crazy, or hopped up or something. 2. Antifa 3. MPSIMS: Safe Space for scary reaction to provocative posts. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/37 "2018-05-04T23:11:23Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > … But let’s just remember 3 things: > > 1. Democratic politician: Crazy, or hopped up or something. … How else would you explain Cuomo’s “plan”? I guess he might be lying about it. That’s about the best case scenario I can see here: that Cuomo is a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/38 "2018-05-04T23:17:59Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > [source](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-04/cuomo-promises-a-dunkirk-style-citizens-fleet-to-block-drilling) > > [source](https://twitter.com/GannettAlbany/status/992420855702605824) > This seems … crazy. I’m wondering if Cuomo is drunk, high, insane, or some combination of the three. > > On the upside, I would pay cold hard cash to watch Antifa’s navy square off against a bunch of oil workers / Coast Guard / the US Navy. Whale Wars 2.0 would have at least one avid fan (me). Aren’t you the guy who said he can kinda see where Timothy McVeigh was coming from? And pleasure boat protests is where you draw the line? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/39 "2018-05-04T23:21:10Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > How else would you explain Cuomo’s “plan”? I guess he might be lying about it. That’s about the best case scenario I can see here: that Cuomo is a liar. No, Trump is a liar. Cuomo might be serious about his statement, which I think is really funny in an Abbie Hoffman kind of way. I don’t expect you to get it. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596/40 "2018-05-04T23:25:37Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > … Cuomo might be serious about his statement… Assuming that you actually believe this, how would you rate his plan? A) great idea! B) good idea C) not your best idea, buddy D) bad idea F) terrible idea! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-to-issue-letters-of-marque-cuomo-might-have-gone-insane/813596.md?page=3)