# Newish eBay/PayPal Rule -- made me be done with both of them (longish) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 19, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newish-ebay-paypal-rule-made-me-be-done-with-both-of-them-longish/506992 "2009-08-19T20:47:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![groo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecd19e/32.png) [@groo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/groo)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newish-ebay-paypal-rule-made-me-be-done-with-both-of-them-longish/506992/61 "2009-08-21T04:09:21Z")
Dudley, I’m on your side. E-Bay and PayPal are evil, pure and simple. Fuck them. I think it’s unfortunate that so many people have staked their livelihoods on the whims of a private company with essentially no competitors and unfettered access to your bank account. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newish-ebay-paypal-rule-made-me-be-done-with-both-of-them-longish/506992/62 "2009-08-21T12:18:10Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I never did learn what “F.O.B.” stood for, but someone told me it was “Free On Board”, which made no sense, so I didn’t believe it. (T **hough it could be one of those 19th century expressions that just stuck, I guess**.) It pretty much _is_ one of those expressions. It means “Shipping is **free** until **on board** the ship” - basically, in international shipping, the seller pays for something to be moved to the port specified in the FOB price. I know commodities like coal & steel get shipped this way still, today. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newish-ebay-paypal-rule-made-me-be-done-with-both-of-them-longish/506992/63 "2009-08-21T12:31:17Z")
Thanks, MrDibble! We applied the terms to domestic shipping, but the principle was the same. FOB Shipping Point meant that the seller was no longer responsible for the goods once they left his dock, and FOB delivered meant that the seller was responsible for the goods until they landed on our dock. But learning the origin of the terms after all these years is gratifying. (By the way, Jesus is coming soon. Just so you know.) ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newish-ebay-paypal-rule-made-me-be-done-with-both-of-them-longish/506992/64 "2009-08-21T14:00:43Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > (By the way, Jesus is coming soon. Just so you know.) They had to wait three days for him, too. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newish-ebay-paypal-rule-made-me-be-done-with-both-of-them-longish/506992/65 "2009-08-21T15:59:15Z")
> [@DudleyGarrett](#): > > I don’t believe I was asking you. > > But answer me this, what happens when I sent the buyer the correct item and he says I didn’t? \*\* jtgain\*\* asked up thread and no one answered. This is a good question. It’s a shame no one’s answered it. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newish-ebay-paypal-rule-made-me-be-done-with-both-of-them-longish/506992/66 "2009-08-22T18:53:55Z")
It’s too bad the OP slinked out of this this thread. We were having so much fun. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newish-ebay-paypal-rule-made-me-be-done-with-both-of-them-longish/506992/67 "2009-08-22T20:51:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Well, the fine print is kinda integral to the deal. Do you know how much fine print is involved with computers. You think I don’t have better things to do then read 70 pages of legalese a day just to be current with every bit software, or web service I might use? Most people aren’t lawyers, but they’re expected to experts in law nitpicking every line in huge tomes of EULAs, just to use their computer to do basic things on the internet. On one hand I understand the need for some form of EULAs, but the present situation is a sadistic joke. Throw gobs and gobs of dry soulless text at people expecting them to analyze every bit of it and jumping out to go “gotcha” when they befall some trap buried under 5 pages of legalese. Fuck that. By clicking submit to disagree with me you (the disagreeing party) agree to be bound to run around the park in a parrot suit while yelling “I’m batman!”. The terms of this agreement may be changed at anytime without notice, by me in my sole discretion. Any disagreement must be resolved by binding arbitration conducted by a horny spider monkey, and your left leg. ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newish-ebay-paypal-rule-made-me-be-done-with-both-of-them-longish/506992/68 "2009-08-22T21:19:28Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > It’s too bad the OP slinked out of this this thread. We were having so much fun. Just wait 3 days. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newish-ebay-paypal-rule-made-me-be-done-with-both-of-them-longish/506992/69 "2009-08-22T21:49:22Z")
> **[The eBay Effect: Inside A Worldwide Obsession](https://www.cnbc.com/the-ebay-effect-inside-a-worldwide-obession/)** > > An unprecedented look at the eBay you don't know, with exclusive, behind-the-scenes access. _“The eBay Effect” also examines why some former users feel betrayed and have deserted the popular auction site. Faber delves into claims of fraud and outrage over fee increases and other controversies surrounding this juggernaut._ I deleted it from my DVR but as I recall, they said eBay altered their fees and as time goes by, we’ll probably see mostly actual stores in there instead of small operations and individuals. ---
**Author:** ![DudleyGarrett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DudleyGarrett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DudleyGarrett)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newish-ebay-paypal-rule-made-me-be-done-with-both-of-them-longish/506992/70 "2009-08-22T23:02:54Z")
> [@lobotomyboy63](#): > > [The eBay Effect: Inside A Worldwide Obsession](http://www.cnbc.com/id/18803668/) > > _“The eBay Effect” also examines why some former users feel betrayed and have deserted the popular auction site. Faber delves into claims of fraud and outrage over fee increases and other controversies surrounding this juggernaut._ > > I deleted it from my DVR but as I recall, they said eBay altered their fees and as time goes by, we’ll probably see mostly actual stores in there instead of small operations and individuals. I feel like that is how eBay is now. It seems like 6 or 7 years ago, eBay open its arms wide to professional sellers and it really got away from the original idea of the site: People need to empty their attics and there are hundreds of people waiting to buy said stuff. Nearly any item, especially an electronic one, has a dozen of “Buy It Now” items by obvious storefronts. The weird thing is that the prices for these items are usually exorbitant. ---
**Author:** ![DudleyGarrett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DudleyGarrett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DudleyGarrett)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newish-ebay-paypal-rule-made-me-be-done-with-both-of-them-longish/506992/71 "2009-08-22T23:05:29Z")
> [@groo](#): > > Dudley, I’m on your side. E-Bay and PayPal are evil, pure and simple. Fuck them. I think it’s unfortunate that so many people have staked their livelihoods on the whims of a private company with essentially no competitors and unfettered access to your bank account. Yeah, that brings up a good point. Why haven’t any competitors been able to get marketshare? I remember when PayPal was new… man, it was the company from hell back then! How they ever got themselves in a position to be bought by eBay, I’ll never know. ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newish-ebay-paypal-rule-made-me-be-done-with-both-of-them-longish/506992/72 "2009-08-23T00:23:34Z")
> [@DudleyGarrett](#): > > I feel like that is how eBay is now. It seems like 6 or 7 years ago, eBay open its arms wide to professional sellers and it really got away from the original idea of the site: People need to empty their attics and there are hundreds of people waiting to buy said stuff. Nearly any item, especially an electronic one, has a dozen of “Buy It Now” items by obvious storefronts. The weird thing is that the prices for these items are usually exorbitant. > **[Google Answers: Ebay Competitors and Electronic Payment Methods](http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/514929.html)** \*1. Please list the websites for Ebay Competitors? (Other Online Auctions) 1. List the various Electronic Payment Methods? (Paypal, etc) Do they have any groupings or online malls, ie method to search online vendors for products?\* [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newish-ebay-paypal-rule-made-me-be-done-with-both-of-them-longish/506992.md?page=3)