# NEWS FLASH: Michael Jackson Charges UNFOUNDED! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 10, 2003, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107 "2003-12-10T06:39:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/21 "2003-12-10T15:42:06Z")
Good god, **astro** , are you kidding me about #5? #2: I’m sorry, but I don’t see what is so deeply wrong about it. We aren’t birds that push our young out of the nest as soon as they learn to walk. I don’t see what’s wrong with being loving towards children. Until he is shown to have molested someone, I am not going to get upset over someone being nice. #4: No. Why don’t you enlighten me. I suppose when you look up “pedophile” in the DSM they show a picture of Michael Jackson? Har har har. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/22 "2003-12-10T16:14:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by erislover \* > Good god, **astro** , are you kidding me about #5? That’s not **Astro’s** point, it’s mine, and no, I’m not kidding. Parents who peddle their children to that noseless freak are guilty of enabling him so fulfill his sick desires on the innocent. > [@](#): > > #2: I’m sorry, but I don’t see what is so deeply wrong about it. We aren’t birds that push our young out of the nest as soon as they learn to walk. I don’t see what’s wrong with being loving towards children. Until he is shown to have molested someone, I am not going to get upset over someone being nice. Being _nice_? Being nice would be visiting hospitals and doing charity concerts, not just talking aobut them (and getting sied for not showing up). If MJ wanted to be nice, he could set up scholarships for impoverished kids to go to college, he could contribute to Toys for Tots, he could get politically involved in lobby for legislation to enact better healthcare and education for poor children. If MJ loved kids, he would also hang out with girls and boys. Nice is buying a kid an ice cream cone, not sleeping in the same bed with him. The Wiggles are nice. Bananas in Pajamas are nice. Barney is nice. MJ likes to cuddle in bed with young boys, and that puts him squarely in Santa’s Naughty list. He may not necessarily be guilty–that is for the courts to decide–but he is definitely the kind of guy who likes to loiter on playgrounds and video arcades. > [@](#): > > #4: No. Why don’t you enlighten me. I suppose when you look up “pedophile” in the DSM they show a picture of Michael Jackson? Har har har. Check [url" [http://www.medem.com/MedLB/article\_detaillb.cfm?article\_ID=ZZZUZRUZGLC&sub\_cat=355](http://www.medem.com/MedLB/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZUZRUZGLC&sub_cat=355)"] here > [@](#): > > Individuals with pedophilia may limit their activities to their own children, stepchildren or relatives, or they may victimize children outside their families. Some threaten the child to prevent the child from telling others. Some develop complicated techniques for gaining access to children. They may select a job, hobby or volunteer work that brings them into contact with children. Others may win the trust of a child’s mother, marry a woman with an attractive child or trade children with other individuals. Except when pedophilia also is associated with sexual sadism, the individual may be kind and attentive to the child’s needs in order to gain his or her affection, interest and loyalty, and also to prevent the child from reporting the sexual activity. Pedophilia usually begins in adolescence, although some individuals report they did not become aroused by children until middle age. Often the pedophiliac behavior increases or decreases according to the psychological and social stress level of the individual. The actual diagnosis of pedophilia must be made a psychiatrist, of course, but one doesn’t need a medical degre to see that a middle-aged man who seeks intimacy with underage boys in his home is a possible danger to them. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/23 "2003-12-10T16:22:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by erislover \* > \*\*Good god, **astro** , are you kidding me about #5? > > #2: I’m sorry, but I don’t see what is so deeply wrong about it. We aren’t birds that push our young out of the nest as soon as they learn to walk. I don’t see what’s wrong with being loving towards children. Until he is shown to have molested someone, I am not going to get upset over someone being nice.\*\* You are right; we don’t push our kids out of the nest too soon. We keep them around the nest so we can keep an eye on them. We don’t let them fly off to any old nest with any other old bird. Do you see the difference between sharing a bed with a four-year-old and sharing a bed with a twelve-year-old? The difference between sharing a bed with your own child, sib, or neice, or godson and sharing a bed with some child you befriended? How about the difference between sharing a bed because bedspace is limited and sharing a bed in a huge, well-furnished mansion with lots of empty rooms? QUOTE]\*Originally posted by erislover \* \*\*#4: No. Why don’t you enlighten me. I suppose when you look up “pedophile” in the DSM they show a picture of Michael Jackson? Har har har. \*\* [/QUOTE] On preview, **gobear’s** post made this redundant, but here we go. [They may as well](http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/pedophiles/7.html?sect=19): > [@](#): > > He carries on what can be termed “a special relationship” with a wife. Often pedophiles have failed marriages due to their sexual interests but remain in the marriage to mask their true intentions… > > He displays a fascination or unusual interest in children. If an adult has an inordinate amount of interest in pre-pubescent children, it doesn’t confirm he is a pedophile, but it should at least arouse suspicion. > > He makes frequent references to children in exalted or exaggerated terms such as “pure,” “innocent,” ”God sent,” “blissful” and other descriptive labels that seem inappropriate and excessive… > > He has hobbies or interests that commonly belong in the realm of a child’s world such as toy collecting, building models of cars or planes. His home or room is decorated in a child’s theme. And often, that theme will reflect the age bracket of his preferred victim… > > He is over 30 years of age, single and has few or no friends his own age. He may also have frequent and unexplained changes of residence. He may be unable or unwilling to discuss why he lost his last job. He may have a military discharge that he cannot explain and a past that he can not easily talk about… > > He has systematic and prolonged access to children. Pedophiles, because of the wide age disparity between themselves and their victims, cannot just hang around children. The pedophile has to find a way to legitimize his contact with kids. He usually accomplishes this by obtaining employment in a field where he is forced to deal with children on a daily basis. Jobs like schoolteachers, bus drivers, camp counselors, photographers and sports coaching(14) serve their needs perfectly. They will always volunteer for activities in which they are left alone with children with no parental supervision (Lanning, p. 19)… None of these characteristics mean anything by themselves, but when you put three or four of them together, you have, not damning evidence, but a good reason to be suspicious. In the case of Michael Jackson, we have bingo, bingo, bingo, bingo, yes to an extent, and bingo. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/24 "2003-12-10T16:28:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by erislover \* > \*\*Good god, **astro** , are you kidding me about #5? > > #2: I’m sorry, but I don’t see what is so deeply wrong about it. We aren’t birds that push our young out of the nest as soon as they learn to walk. I don’t see what’s wrong with being loving towards children. Until he is shown to have molested someone, I am not going to get upset over someone being nice. > > #4: No. Why don’t you enlighten me. I suppose when you look up “pedophile” in the DSM they show a picture of Michael Jackson? Har har har. \*\* # 5 was obviously an “IMO” disgusted aside at parents who (for whatever reasons) are feeding this cumpulsion he has to have sleepovers with young boys by granting access to their children. # 2 - Seriously … you _don’t_ see what’s socially inappropriate with a 46 year old man seeking out more or less exclusively attractive, adolescent and pre-adolescent boys to have parties with and spend the night with, and sleep in the same room with? Because I’m taking you at your word on this, and assuming that you’re not simply vogueing an absurd rhetorical pose like some eager Asst. Professor teaching his first Phil 101 class. # 4 - I’m sure that the definition being a “pedohile” is subject to some variable interpretation, but the envelope of MJ’s behavior to the extent that he is hard at work nuturing, constructing and perpetuating situations and contexts in which he can indulge his strong desire to be emotionally and situationally intimate with attractive, pre-adolescent and adolescent young boys, does intersect with a good chunk of what reasonable people and professionals would deem to be pedophile like behavior. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/25 "2003-12-10T16:30:26Z")
Crossing the street is a “possible danger” to them. I mean my goodness, let’s see what we’re saying here. The court of public opinion might not need the same evidence as a criminal court, but that doesn’t just mean we can sling around whatever we want to. Your opinion doesn’t gain legitimacy by making analogies to psychiatric disorders. Christ, I could use that paragraph against day care professionals! Those sly bastards, being nice to win over the children and parents. I’m outraged! > [@](#): > > MJ likes to cuddle in bed with young boys, and that puts him squarely in Santa’s Naughty list. Sorry, but not to me. I cuddled with adults for much of my life growing up. It is a loving and comforting environment. I wish I knew someone that wealthy who loved children. I guess that’s all I’ve got. (PS: Sorry, I missed the “gobear said” portion of **astro** ’s post.) ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/26 "2003-12-10T17:03:25Z")
eris lover is either a rabid he-can-do-no-wrong Michael Jackson fan, or a supporter of NAMBLA. You don’t let your kids go around freaks. If you do, you deserve the scorn this kid’s parents are receiving. Remember, Jackson once bribed a family to drop charges of molestation. I can only hope Child Services takes his own kids away before he starts using them for his sexual gratification. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/27 "2003-12-10T17:16:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by erislover \* > Crossing the street is a “possible danger” to them. I mean my goodness, let’s see what we’re saying here. The court of public opinion might not need the same evidence as a criminal court, but that doesn’t just mean we can sling around whatever we want to. Your opinion doesn’t gain legitimacy by making analogies to psychiatric disorders. No, but our opinions do gain a bit of legitimacy when one considers that Jackson has already been sued once for child molestation, and settled out of court. To apply this to your “crossing the street” analogy, that would make Michael Jackson at least a semi-dangerous street for children to cross by themselves, don’t you think? > [@](#): > > Christ, I could use that paragraph against day care professionals! Those sly bastards, being nice to win over the children and parents. I’m outraged! Um, you’re aware that there are many instances of day-care providers molesting children, right? [quoteI wish I knew someone that wealthy who loved children. I guess that’s all I’ve got.[/quote] It’s possible for a wealthy person to love children and not sleep in the same bed with them. In fact, one could argue (as **gobear** has so eloquently done) that wealthy people actually have _more_ avenues open to them to express affection for children – foundations, scholarships, political lobbying for children’s causes, etc. ---
**Author:** ![TVAA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c57346/32.png) [@TVAA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVAA)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/28 "2003-12-10T17:27:20Z")
Merely sleeping in the same bed with a non-relative is not in itself an inherently disordered act. Just because it’s alien to certain (presumably unconscious) prejudices of yours doesn’t make it wrong. I suspect that MJ actually is a child molester. It’s possible that he isn’t. Regardless, attacking him for sleeping with (as opposed to having sex with or sexually fondling) a child exposes a very irrational fear. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/29 "2003-12-10T17:30:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spectrum \* > \*\*eris lover is either a rabid he-can-do-no-wrong Michael Jackson fan, or a supporter of NAMBLA. > > \*\* Ad hominem attacks make you look like an idiot. I don’t like MJ. I don’t like him, his face, his antics, dancing or his music. I think parents who decide to deposit their children at MJ’s house are odd. I think it’s creepy that MJ rides around on a train like he’s a fucking 6 year old. I don’t think that MJ is a child molester, and I’m a straight male who’s never had relations with someone who was pre-pubescent or same-sex. And I hate NAMBLA. I think maybe things will be much clearer to everyone in the future regarding MJ. So, really, I agree with eris lover, and I’m none of the things you accuse him/her of being. Sam ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/30 "2003-12-10T17:35:48Z")
well, once one has gone through (very public) accusations of being a child molester, a **prudent, non self destructive, innocent** man would cease any behavior which would tend to _allow_ others to question his behavior. This would not mean (necessarily) that one would cease all contact with children, but it would tend to make ‘sleeping in the same bed as the children specifically without any other adult witnesses around’ as being, well, extrordinarily stupid. So, since MJ has, in fact, exhibited the above behavior post public accusations, I would conclude that he’s certainly not prudent, most probably self destructive, and quite possibly not innocent, either. Does this prove his guilt? no. But barring any other reasonable explanation for such potentially self destructive actions, it does indeed, suggest a **strong** motivator. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/31 "2003-12-10T17:56:33Z")
Just the fact that he was _accused_ and it never went to trial for him to be found innocent should be enough for a parent with any sense to not leave kids unsupervised. Yes, there’s only a chance he was guilty, and everybody had a different idea of what that probability is, but it’s got to be higher than that of a random person. Leaving a child unsupervised with MJ is like letting a dingo babysit your baby. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/32 "2003-12-10T18:05:38Z")
A Jacko ate my baby! ---
**Author:** ![Ayesha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c0e974/32.png) [@Ayesha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ayesha)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/33 "2003-12-10T19:27:11Z")
\*\* Beagle \*\* you owe me a monitor and keyboard cleaning. That will be all, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/34 "2003-12-10T20:11:00Z")
I just wanted to point out that a child sleeping in bed with an adult relative is no assurance of safety either – there have been numerous cases of kids being molested by family members, after all. With that in mind, it seems that the appropriateness/inappropriateness of a kid sleeping in bed with an adult depends on the circumstances involved, and the final decision must rest with the child and the parent(s). To say the situation is wrong because Michael Jackson is not a relative is to miss the point, which is that _somewhere_ down the line, _someone_ decided it was okay to let this boy have a sleepover with Michael, and _that_ person should be getting more scrutiny. To paraphrase **erislover** here, until Michael’s been _proven_ to have done something wrong, he’s done nothing wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/35 "2003-12-10T20:47:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Revtim \* > \*\*Perhaps if we ever find out what evidence was found in the sweep of his home, the situation will become more clear. \*\* > [@](#): > > [USA Today](http://www.usatoday.com/life/2003-12-10-jackson-memo_x.htm) > The _Daily Telegraph_ of Sydney reported that during a 13-hour search at Neverland, investigators seized letters and poems from Jackson to the boy… ---
**Author:** ![Achilles\_Last\_Stand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a87d85/32.png) [@Achilles\_Last\_Stand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achilles_Last_Stand)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/36 "2003-12-10T20:49:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > \*\*well, once one has gone through (very public) accusations of being a child molester, a **prudent, non self destructive, innocent** man would cease any behavior which would tend to _allow_ others to question his behavior. This would not mean (necessarily) that one would cease all contact with children, but it would tend to make ‘sleeping in the same bed as the children specifically without any other adult witnesses around’ as being, well, extrordinarily stupid. > > So, since MJ has, in fact, exhibited the above behavior post public accusations, I would conclude that he’s certainly not prudent, most probably self destructive, and quite possibly not innocent, either. > > Does this prove his guilt? no. But barring any other reasonable explanation for such potentially self destructive actions, it does indeed, suggest a **strong** motivator. \*\* I don’t think that has him sleeping with other children has been established any more than the other unfounded statements. You analogy of Jackson not have ANY further contact with children and avoid ANYTHING that might has heinous gold digging non responsible parents to allow him private contact is the same as telling all women, don’t wear provocative cloting and never use an ATM or it’s YOUR fault if your mugged or raped. And no fucking apostrophes, commas will be needed in honor of the grammar king. LMAO!! Oh, and he is innocent, period, no matter how much those of whom would LOVE to make him guilty, innocent is the word. WHHHOOO HOOO!!! The man has overcome!!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/37 "2003-12-10T21:00:19Z")
> [@](#): > > To paraphrase erislover here, until Michael’s been proven to have done something wrong, he’s done nothing wrong. So can Michael make a playdate with your kid?[sup]1[/sup] Do you mind if they play “Rubba Rubba”? sup]2[/sup] How about sleepovers? Is it OK with you if Michael shares his love with your boy by cuddling and hugging with him in bed?[sup]3[/sup] [sup]1[/sup] A boy, I trust–Michael doesn’t spend any time with female children. [sup]2 [/sup]I’m not sure of the nature of the game, but it is mentioned in both the 1993 and 2003 complaints. [sup]3[/sup] After all, he’s done nothing wrong. ---
**Author:** ![PhiloVance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@PhiloVance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhiloVance)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/38 "2003-12-10T21:12:31Z")
Why don’t we all just wait for the trial, mkay? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/39 "2003-12-10T21:21:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sauron \* > To apply this to your “crossing the street” analogy, that would make Michael Jackson at least a semi-dangerous street for children to cross by themselves, don’t you think? Not _obviously_, no. The guy likes to cuddle with children. Honestly, as a child, I _loved_ that. When my younger family members are over I like sitting on the couch with them, or having them in my arms while I read to them, etc. It is an expression of safety and love. Do people exist that take advantage of this instinctual feeling in children? Yes. Does Michael Jackson? I don’t know, and I don’t see his acts as making a prima facie case for it. > [@](#): > > Um, you’re aware that there are many instances of day-care providers molesting children, right? Very aware! Yet, against all irrationality, we still have day care centers. The mind boggles. 😉 > [@](#): > > It’s possible for a wealthy person to love children and not sleep in the same bed with them. Of course. I wouldn’t dare suggest otherwise. **rjung** > [@](#): > > With that in mind, it seems that the appropriateness/inappropriateness of a kid sleeping in bed with an adult depends on the circumstances involved, and the final decision must rest with the child and the parent(s). I think this is exactly right. Rich people make easy targets, however. Is MJ just a loving soul who is wrongly accused because he’s a wealthy target? Or is he something more sinister? I don’t know. My initial reaction is the former without compelling evidence for the latter. I see nothing wrong with the behavior, and I find it appalling to publicly judge him for behavior I do think is perfectly appropriate. > [@](#): > > Just the fact that he was _accused_ and it never went to trial for him to be found innocent should be enough for a parent with any sense to not leave kids unsupervised. Bullshit, **Revtim**. It should be enough to say that the family knew they didn’t have a case, and Michael didn’t want a drawn out scandal. That is extremely ambiguous evidence to condemn him for. If their plight was so serious, how could they have been bought out by a monster? If their plight was unfounded, why did he pay? All good questions. Why you assume one and not the other escapes me. > [@](#): > > **wring** > So, since MJ has, in fact, exhibited the above behavior post public accusations, I would conclude that he’s certainly not prudent, most probably self destructive, and quite possibly not innocent, either. Maybe he thinks he’s safe to do it because he knows he’s not doing anything wrong…? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107/40 "2003-12-10T21:31:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Achilles Last Stand \* > \*\*I don’t think that has him sleeping with other children has been established any more than the other unfounded statements. You analogy of Jackson not have ANY further contact with children and avoid ANYTHING that might has heinous gold digging non responsible parents to allow him private contact is the same as telling all women, don’t wear provocative cloting and never use an ATM or it’s YOUR fault if your mugged or raped. And no fucking apostrophes, commas will be needed in honor of the grammar king. LMAO!! > > Oh, and he is innocent, period, no matter how much those of whom would LOVE to make him guilty, innocent is the word. WHHHOOO HOOO!!! The man has overcome!!! 😃 \*\* you quoted my post, one would have thought you read it, too. let me quote myself again > [@](#): > > This would not mean (necessarily) that one would cease all contact with children, but it would tend to make ‘sleeping in the same bed as the children specifically without any other adult witnesses around’ as being, well, extrordinarily stupid. just as if a man was falsely accused of having an affair with another woman, I’d suggest that staying in the same hotel room as a woman not his significant other, without specific witnesses (as in all 8 of us stayed at that room 'cause we were having a meeting) would be, ‘extrordinarily stupid’. He is innocent in the eyes of the law, we have no idea if he’s actually/factually innocent as well. It would be the smart thing to do, though to not add to suspicions. wrt: him sleeping in bed w/other children, he admitted as much on that documentary, didn’t he?? thought so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-flash-michael-jackson-charges-unfounded/218107.md?page=3)