# News shows like "Fox News": Does England have a counterpart? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 21, 2012, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782 "2012-12-21T21:17:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![eddyg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b9e5f3/32.png) [@eddyg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eddyg)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/21 "2012-12-24T03:32:48Z")
I’m not from the UK, but I’m under the impression that certain papers like _The Sun_ and _The Daily Mail_ fill that niche. As for networks, I’m really not too sure. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/22 "2012-12-24T04:30:39Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Fox News is not a “news show” it is a network. A network that has many shows. About 90% of those shows are talking heads giving opinions and not news shows. You can render your opinion on how biased that 10% is. IMHO the problem with news media today is not Fox News. It is that 90% of all the news channels are commentary and not reporting. CNN did see the need to change it so they made Headline News their straight news channel. Then they turned that into 24 hours of opinion. About the only place you can get decent reporting on TV is the half hour an evening for the network news. > > I think all 3 major networks do a decent job with their evening news but I prefer Scott Pelley. Your first sentence is wrong. Fox News IS a news program, run at various times during the day on the Fox Network. Fox itself makes a huge point of this – they allow that their commentators are conservatives, not part of the news, but part of the opinion programming. They maintain that that their news is in fact not biased It’s largely window dressing bullshit of course, as much of their news coverage is about the “controversies” generated by the opinion pieces, controversies that no one else particularly cares about because they’re spun up in a back room in Fox. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/23 "2012-12-24T04:54:19Z")
> [@Shmendrik](#): > > As I read it, you asked “if there is a TV channel like Fox News in the UK, how do they avoid rigorous UK libel laws?”. In response, I pointed out that channels other than Fox have been sued for libel in the US. The underlying unspoken question inherent in that response was “why do you think Fox is more likely to have a problem with UK libel laws than other news channel?” Sorry for the confusion, and I hope I have made myself abundantly clear. What I wanted to point out was a major [difference](http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110107/03325312570/is-uk-finally-going-to-fix-its-awful-libel-laws.shtml) between libel in the US and UK that might lead to more lawsuits against a UK version of Fox News. In the US, you have to prove libel against a party. It is just the [opposite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_defamation_law) in the UK. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/24 "2012-12-24T04:57:25Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Your first sentence is wrong. Fox News IS a news program, run at various times during the day on the Fox Network. Fox itself makes a huge point of this – they allow that their commentators are conservatives, not part of the news, but part of the opinion programming. They maintain that that their news is in fact not biased > > It’s largely window dressing bullshit of course, as much of their news coverage is about the “controversies” generated by the opinion pieces, controversies that no one else particularly cares about because they’re spun up in a back room in Fox. I don’t know where you get that. The channel is called either the Fox News Channel, FNC or Fox News for short. The Fox Network or more acurately the Fox Broadcasting Company brings you shows like The Simpsons. Also under that umbrella are channels like Fox Business and Fox Sports. My first sentence is correct and I’m not sure where you are getting that info. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/25 "2012-12-24T05:18:02Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Your first sentence is wrong. Fox News IS a news program, run at various times during the day on the Fox Network. No, Fox News is a 24/7 operation on its own channel. The two networks only rarely mingle. I think there’s only one hour of national news on the Fox Network each week. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/26 "2012-12-24T08:01:53Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I don’t know where you get that. The channel is called either the Fox News Channel, FNC or Fox News for short. The Fox Network or more acurately the Fox Broadcasting Company brings you shows like The Simpsons. Also under that umbrella are channels like Fox Business and Fox Sports. My first sentence is correct and I’m not sure where you are getting that info. > [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > No, Fox News is a 24/7 operation on its own channel. The two networks only rarely mingle. I think there’s only one hour of national news on the Fox Network each week. Well, since I never watch the thing, I bow to your superior knowledge. My response was based on things I’ve seen when people like O’Reilly or Roger Ailes appear somewhere else and make this huge distinction between Fox news programming and Fox opinion programming. And when they do that, they are generally responding to claims of distortion by Fox News, and they say, “No, not the News – you’re conflating the opinions of people like Sean Hannity with our news broadcasts.” I understood the general thrust of that argument was bullshit, but I guess they fooled me on the smaller details. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/27 "2012-12-24T14:56:03Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Well, since I never watch the thing, I bow to your superior knowledge. My response was based on things I’ve seen when people like O’Reilly or Roger Ailes appear somewhere else and make this huge distinction between Fox news programming and Fox opinion programming. And when they do that, they are generally responding to claims of distortion by Fox News, and they say, “No, not the News – you’re conflating the opinions of people like Sean Hannity with our news broadcasts.” > > I understood the general thrust of that argument was bullshit, but I guess they fooled me on the smaller details. My knowledge is hardly superior. More of a common knowledge thing with 2 seconds of google to verify. All of the cable networks try to distance themselves between their opinion and news departments. Unfortunately for us the line is basically gone on all the cable news channels. It’s very rare that you can flip on any of them and find that they are reporting news. All you see are talking heads. That is why I rarely watch any of the cable news channels and instead get my information elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![GovernmentMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GovernmentMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GovernmentMan)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/28 "2012-12-24T16:57:00Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Well, since I never watch the thing, I bow to your superior knowledge. My response was based on things I’ve seen when people like O’Reilly or Roger Ailes appear somewhere else and make this huge distinction between Fox news programming and Fox opinion programming. And when they do that, they are generally responding to claims of distortion by Fox News, and they say, “No, not the News – you’re conflating the opinions of people like Sean Hannity with our news broadcasts.” > > I understood the general thrust of that argument was bullshit, but I guess they fooled me on the smaller details. You literally had no idea that “Fox News” was a channel? Ever heard of MSNBC or CNN? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/29 "2012-12-24T17:13:34Z")
> [@sandra\_nz](#): > > We’re running a bit behind and get our biased filtered news through newspapers. It’s dated, but I’m fond of: PM Jim Hacker: Don’t tell me about the press. I know exactly who reads the papers: The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country, the Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country, the Times is read by people who actually do run the country, the Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country, the Financial Times is read by people who own the country, the Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country and the Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is. Sir Humphrey: Prime Minister, what about the people who read the Sun? Bernard Wooley: Sun readers don’t care who runs the country, as long as she’s got big tits. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/30 "2012-12-24T17:14:54Z")
> [@GovernmentMan](#): > > You literally had no idea that “Fox News” was a channel? Ever heard of MSNBC or CNN? I knew Fox was a network, just like I knew CBS was a network. I assumed Fox News was a program, just like CBS News is a program. Forgive me for not keeping close enough track of the 5000 spinoff cable networks – I am particularly at fault for not knowing the details of channels I don’t watch. Or perhaps “division” is a better term than “program”. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/31 "2012-12-24T17:28:21Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I knew Fox was a network, just like I knew CBS was a network. I assumed Fox News was a program, just like CBS News is a program. Forgive me for not keeping close enough track of the 5000 spinoff cable networks – I am particularly at fault for not knowing the details of channels I don’t watch. > > Or perhaps “division” is a better term than “program”. I think the surprise is more that Fox News is quite often discussed on these forums. I don’t think Bill O’Reilly and those guys ever show up on local Fox affiliate news programs. Anyhow, if you know MSNBC, it’s kinda sorta the left analogue of Fox News. NBC:MSNBC::Fox (the network):Fox News Channel ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/32 "2012-12-24T17:41:17Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > I think the surprise is more that Fox News is quite often discussed on these forums. I don’t think Bill O’Reilly and those guys ever show up on local Fox affiliate news programs. Anyhow, if you know MSNBC, it’s kinda sorta the left analogue of Fox News. NBC:MSNBC::Fox (the network):Fox News Channel Yes, it is often discussed, far more often as “Fox News” which is a pretty common name for a network’s news program (usually the XYZ Network has an XYZ News program), far more often than it is called the “Fox News Network”. Now perhaps you all can cease your chuckling at my expense and return to the regularly scheduled thread. Or perhaps not. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/33 "2012-12-24T18:02:26Z")
> [@gunchris](#): > > Do you Dopers in England have a comparable television news show like _Fox News_? > **Geraldo Riverara ( however you spell it ) is an uber liberal idiot, more along the lines of the three networks full of liberal bias excrement.** > > If you don’t know what _Fox News_ is, I’m sure other posters will come along with a better description, but it’s a biased news show that caters to American conservatives while purporting to be the only news source that delivers the truth\*\*\*. NOPE. They claim to be fair and balanced, they present stupid liberal opinions all the time, they’re as stupid as the three excrement laden networks when presenting factual “news” WRT 2 Amendment issues. > > * * * > > Do you have anything similar? All I see from your country is BBC News, but I’m aware there’s more to your programming than BBC. > \*\*\*BBC is a champion of complete nonsense, in segment on **college campus** carry of concealed handguns they only showed elementary schools. :rolleyes: > > * * * I’m going to bold and underline stuff from now on. It demonstrates gravitas, I think. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/34 "2012-12-24T18:29:56Z")
> [@gunchris](#): > > Do you Dopers in England have a comparable television news show like _Fox News_? > **Geraldo Riverara ( however you spell it ) is an uber liberal idiot, more along the lines of the three networks full of liberal bias excrement.** > > If you don’t know what _Fox News_ is, I’m sure other posters will come along with a better description, but it’s a biased news show that caters to American conservatives while purporting to be the only news source that delivers the truth\*\*\*. NOPE. They claim to be fair and balanced, they present stupid liberal opinions all the time, they’re as stupid as the three excrement laden networks when presenting factual “news” WRT 2 Amendment issues. > > * * * > > Do you have anything similar? All I see from your country is BBC News, but I’m aware there’s more to your programming than BBC. > \*\*\*BBC is a champion of complete nonsense, in segment on **college campus** carry of concealed handguns they only showed elementary schools. :rolleyes: > > * * * Welcome to the SDMB, **gunchris**. We have separated our message board into different forums for different kinds of discussions. This discussion is in Cafe Society, which is about arts and media, not politics. You’re welcome to express your opinions on gun control or anything else, as long as you do so in the appropriate forum – such as Great Debates, IMHO, and the Pit, all of which you seem to have found already. In Cafe Society, political potshots are out of line, so please refrain. Thanks, **twickster** , for the SDMB ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/35 "2012-12-24T18:48:01Z")
> [@Shmendrik](#): > > That’s funny. The most recent US media libel case I can recall is against one of the big “mainstream” networks which took some guy’s 911 call and massively edited it to make him sound like a racist. What network did that? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/36 "2012-12-24T18:56:45Z")
> [@MadTheSwine](#): > > What network did that? I believe this is a reference to the Martin/Zimmerman shooting. The network was NBC (or maybe MSNBC?) and a sound editor cut up the recording of his 911 call. The editor was fired – I hadn’t heard there was a lawsuit filed about it, though. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/37 "2012-12-24T19:32:49Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I believe this is a reference to the Martin/Zimmerman shooting. The network was NBC (or maybe MSNBC?) and a sound editor cut up the recording of his 911 call. The editor was fired – I hadn’t heard there was a lawsuit filed about it, though. [Zimmerman said he was going to sue NBC.](http://www.businessinsider.com/george-zimmermans-lawsuit-against-nbc-2012-10) ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/38 "2012-12-24T20:17:53Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Yes, it is often discussed, far more often as “Fox News” which is a pretty common name for a network’s news program (usually the XYZ Network has an XYZ News program), far more often than it is called the “Fox News Network”. Now perhaps you all can cease your chuckling at my expense and return to the regularly scheduled thread. > > Or perhaps not. Unlike the other three big networks Fox does not have a national news program run on its affiliates. All their news programming is local with local anchors. > [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I knew Fox was a network, just like I knew CBS was a network. I assumed Fox News was a program, just like CBS News is a program. Forgive me for not keeping close enough track of the 5000 spinoff cable networks – I am particularly at fault for not knowing the details of channels I don’t watch. > > Or perhaps “division” is a better term than “program”. I don’t think you are expected to know anything about what you don’t watch. But around here you are expected to know something about what you comment on. ---
**Author:** ![Mk\_VII](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Mk\_VII](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mk_VII)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782/39 "2012-12-24T20:22:39Z")
No, there is no real equivalent of _Fox News_ here, nor of Rush Limbaugh - I suppose the nearest might be Jeremy Clarkson, and not very near at that. There are no shock jocks here. Caesar The Geezer (long gone) or James Whale might be the nearest equivalent. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/news-shows-like-fox-news-does-england-have-a-counterpart/644782.md?page=1)