# Newsmax blogger John Perry dreams of military coup against Obama **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 5, 2009, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680 "2009-10-05T15:41:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/21 "2009-10-05T18:04:11Z")
My point is, if Ginny, Stevie, Virginie, Paulie or Louie said word one about Grayson, they need a definition of hypocrisy written out shoved up their collective asses. The same stands for any R-Wherever who condones their side’s hyperbole and demands sanctions for the other side’s. Hijack over. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/22 "2009-10-05T18:30:51Z")
All is well. [Defense Secretary Gates says he’ll do what the Commander in Cheif tells him to.](http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hEdvpZ8AeY-W_klKQ1cGvnVSkyZQD9B507EO4) Whew! I’m glad we got that straightened out. BTW, since when does the SoD have to go on record saying he’ll listen to the president? Were there Defense Secretaries that did whatever the hell they wanted before this? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/23 "2009-10-05T18:46:55Z")
Even the suggestion that it was in question is an act of insubordination. Gates needs to be gone for that. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/24 "2009-10-05T18:47:39Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > All is well. [Defense Secretary Gates says he’ll do what the Commander in Cheif tells him to.](http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hEdvpZ8AeY-W_klKQ1cGvnVSkyZQD9B507EO4) > > Whew! I’m glad we got that straightened out. BTW, since when does the SoD have to go on record saying he’ll listen to the president? Were there Defense Secretaries that did whatever the hell they wanted before this? Well, there was Kissinger . . . No, wait, he was **State**. . . ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/25 "2009-10-05T19:05:07Z")
Wow. That’s a pretty drastic thing to write- is the full text of it available anywhere? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/26 "2009-10-05T19:08:04Z")
> [@appleciders](#): > > Wow. That’s a pretty drastic thing to write- is the full text of it available anywhere? The Salon story linked above has a link to another Salon story with the column excerpt. I’m not sure if it is the column in it’s entirety. [http://www.salon.com/politics/war\_room/2009/09/30/newsmax/index.html](http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/09/30/newsmax/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/27 "2009-10-05T19:09:09Z")
Here’s the [whole column](http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/pdf/newsmax-20090929-perry_coup.pdf). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/28 "2009-10-05T19:12:06Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Here’s the [whole column](http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/pdf/newsmax-20090929-perry_coup.pdf). :eek: Merciful Og! ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/29 "2009-10-05T19:24:10Z")
Longer excerpt from mediamatters [http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909290042](http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909290042) That’ll learn me not to preview! ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/30 "2009-10-05T19:24:27Z")
I’m not clear on this, but I assume that sedition is protected speech under the first amendment? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/31 "2009-10-05T19:33:00Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > I’m not clear on this, but I assume that sedition is protected speech under the first amendment? [Apparently not.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition#United_States) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/32 "2009-10-05T19:35:21Z")
I can only hope that Mr. Perry has saved enough for his retirement, as this is career suicide. I hope. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/33 "2009-10-05T19:38:02Z")
I think Perry skates on sedition charges because he didn’t call for a military coup, he just thought it would be nice if there was one. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/34 "2009-10-05T19:41:11Z")
I’m gonna take a stab the two presidents Perry has served – Augusto Pinochet and Robert Mugabe. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/35 "2009-10-05T19:52:19Z")
How is it, exactly, that the scummier elements of the Republican/Conservative fringe seem to think that Obama has trampled the Constitution? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/36 "2009-10-05T19:55:02Z")
I wouldn’t be surprised if Newsmax’s publish-then-yank routine was thought out ahead of time; to get the article out, then pretend surprise on their part. > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > I can only hope that Mr. Perry has saved enough for his retirement, as this is career suicide. I hope. I doubt it; I expect some far right group will still be happy to hire him. It doesn’t really strike me as all _ **that** _ extreme or unusual by right wing standards. They loved to make implied threats against Clinton. > [@Squink](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Imagine a bloodless coup > > Just add blood to make it a _real_ coup. Or to quote an old Simpsons episode. "It was a bloodless coup. They were all smothered with pillows. " - makes smothering gesture \* ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/37 "2009-10-05T20:03:15Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > How is it, exactly, that the scummier elements of the Republican/Conservative fringe seem to think that Obama has trampled the Constitution? By being an illegitimate president, what with being born in Kenya and all. Plus he’s a Socialist Marxist (according to this author. Others have called him a Facist Nazi. And still others have called him a socialist Nazi. Because they are all dumb) bent on turning Real Americans into godless, gay-loving abortionist. Also, he’s a Negro. Note this passage: > [@](#): > > Military intervention is what Obama’s exponentially accelerating agenda for “fundamental change” toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama’s radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible. There are no specific charges of un-Constitional acts or behavior, they just feel it. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/38 "2009-10-05T20:07:40Z")
Perry can’t be serious. You **can’t** be that stupid and breathe! ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/39 "2009-10-05T20:09:02Z")
Well, well, well… it seems that the NewsMaxiePad has crossed the line between blowing off steam and committing felony sedition… [QUOTE=18 U.S.C. § 2385] **Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence** , or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or **Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence** , or attempts to do so; or Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons. [/QUOTE] (emphasis added) ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680/40 "2009-10-05T20:12:24Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > I can only hope that Mr. Perry has saved enough for his retirement See previous post. He may have room and board for twenty years (or life, whichever comes first at his age) provided by Uncle Sam… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsmax-blogger-john-perry-dreams-of-military-coup-against-obama/512680.md?page=3)