# Newsom: CA to pass Texas-style law targeting gun sellers **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 12, 2021, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930 "2021-12-12T05:17:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/61 "2021-12-14T00:30:06Z")
Thanks for posting this. This article was published Nov 10th 2020. Here’s a companion piece by the same author published on January 12th 2021. > **[I Lived Thru Domestic Terror. It’s Already Started In America](https://indica.medium.com/i-lived-thru-domestic-terror-its-already-started-in-america-8fc70a03ba16)** > > Welcome to the bloody spin cycle ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/62 "2021-12-14T01:17:01Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Thanks for posting this. > > This article was published Nov 10th 2020. > > Here’s a companion piece by the same author published on January 12th 2021. > > [I Lived Thru Domestic Terror. It’s Already Started In America | by indi.ca | Medium](https://indica.medium.com/i-lived-thru-domestic-terror-its-already-started-in-america-8fc70a03ba16) You’re welcome; I’ve posted it a number of times since it was published. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/63 "2021-12-14T01:35:34Z")
You’re thanking him for what? Posting an extremely left-wing screed? ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/64 "2021-12-14T01:54:09Z")
What happened about eleven months ago that didn’t happen ten years ago? I’ll give you all a hint: it happened in Washington D.C. and it was broadcast live on TV and internet. With sociopaths like that running around, I’m starting to shop around for some protection myself. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/65 "2021-12-14T01:55:50Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Posting an extremely left-wing screed? ? What’s “extremely left-wing” about describing the Trumpian attempts to overturn or invalidate the 2020 election as a “stupid coup”? That’s more or less [the National Review’s take on the “stolen election” shenanigans](https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/07/the-latest-stolen-election-stunts-lesson-move-on-from-trump-or-lose/), and they’re hardly “left-wing”. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/66 "2021-12-14T03:37:37Z")
From the “article”: > [@](#): > > We had universal franchise for decades before Black people founded your democracy in 1965. Our democracy was founded in 1965 by Black people? Really??? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/67 "2021-12-14T04:04:09Z")
What is it with that statement that you take issue with, specifically? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/68 "2021-12-14T05:03:32Z")
The fact that it’s not based in reality. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/69 "2021-12-14T05:08:17Z")
I’d ask what year he thinks South Africa became a democracy, but I’m not sure I want to hear his answer. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/70 "2021-12-14T05:13:37Z")
I know; right? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/71 "2021-12-14T05:14:38Z")
This statement is laughably incorrect. Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there See? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/72 "2021-12-14T05:22:49Z")
So you believe the statement? Our democracy was founded in 1965 by Black people? If you really subscribe to such silliness, there’s no point in engaging with you. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/73 "2021-12-14T05:31:04Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Our democracy was founded in 1965 by Black people? “Democracy” in the sense of actually having equal rights under the law for everybody irrespective of race? Yes, that’s a reasonable statement. Are you really unaware that during nearly the first two hundred years of the United States’ existence its society was only very incompletely democratic, due to the disenfranchisement of Black people via slavery and legal segregation? (And a bunch of other white-supremacist discriminatory laws too, of course.) Do you really not understand why it makes sense to say that democracy in the United States wasn’t actually fully implemented until after the Black-led civil rights movement in the 1960s? > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > If you really subscribe to such silliness, there’s no point in engaging with you. If the US passed laws saying that you and other members of your particular ethnic group could be legally subjected to chattel slavery and/or kept as second-class citizens, would you really consider it “silly” to claim that that makes US society fundamentally undemocratic? I swear, it’s as though conservatives these days actually pride themselves on not understanding anything about US political history and principles. Because knowing actual facts is “woke” or something, and they can’t have that, goodness no. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/74 "2021-12-14T05:32:50Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > “Democracy” in the sense of actually having equal rights under the law for everybody irrespective of race? Yes, that’s a reasonable statement. That’s not what the writer said, though. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/75 "2021-12-14T05:35:55Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > That’s not what the writer said, though. That’s obviously what the writer meant, duh. Unless you really imagine that the writer is claiming that Washington and Jefferson and Adams and Franklin etc. were Black people living in the 1960s? Yes, it’s quite reasonable to claim that actual democracy did not exist in the US until legally implemented racial discrimination was done away with (a process which is still arguably quite incomplete, moreover). ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/76 "2021-12-14T05:37:28Z")
The nonsense that he wrote, (and that wasn’t the only part,) detracts from whatever argument he was trying to make. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/77 "2021-12-14T05:40:08Z")
Just because you didn’t understand what he wrote doesn’t make it “nonsense”. He was quite clearly drawing a distinction between an actual democratic society with universal franchise for all citizens and the pseudo-democracy based on racial hierarchy that prevailed in the US until at least the mid-20th century. (And there’s not even anything particularly “left-wing” about acknowledging that distinction, much less “extremely left-wing”.) ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/78 "2021-12-14T05:42:55Z")
Oh, I understand it. He’s an idiot. No rational person thinks that democracy was founded in 1965. " Americans think they can just hammer on Joe Biden like _CTRL-Z. CTRL-Z! CTRL-Z?_ and go back to the Obama era." Meaningless nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/79 "2021-12-14T05:44:56Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Oh, I understand it. He’s an idiot. No rational person thinks that democracy was founded in 1965. America did not have universal adult suffrage under the law until 1965, and one party in this country is still actively trying to undo that. This is not in dispute. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/80 "2021-12-14T05:47:00Z")
It IS in dispute, since it’s blatantly false. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930.md?page=5)