# Newsom: CA to pass Texas-style law targeting gun sellers **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 12, 2021, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930 "2021-12-12T05:17:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/81 "2021-12-14T05:48:53Z")
(Le sigh) Hypothetical time: The year is 1932. You are a black man living and working as a sharecropper in the town of Assfuck Grove, Mississippi, the seat of Beauregard-Lee-Jackson-Davis County. On Election Day, you present yourself at the courthouse and announce your intent to vote in this year’s election, which the Constitution says that you, as a citizen over the age of 21, are allowed to do. What happens to you next? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/82 "2021-12-14T05:49:49Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > No rational person thinks that democracy was founded in 1965. Do you really not understand why it’s reasonable to claim that genuine democracy in the US didn’t exist until the elimination of Jim Crow laws? Or are you just stuck on your grade-school memory of phrases like “Founding Fathers” and “Democracy in America”, so it simply doesn’t compute for you that a rational person might consider a white-supremacist society fundamentally undemocratic? > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > " Americans think they can just hammer on Joe Biden like _CTRL-Z. CTRL-Z! CTRL-Z?_ and go back to the Obama era." > > Meaningless nonsense. Another non-nonsensical phrase that you apparently need some help understanding. The metaphor the author uses there is intended to describe what he considers the unrealistically optimistic view of many Americans that the election of Biden somehow constitutes a “reset” to pre-Trump norms for the Republican Party. There’s nothing particularly “left-wing” about that view, either. Hell, Liz Cheney makes basically the same arguments about the degradation of the Trump-era Republican party and the reluctance of Americans to realize its implications. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/83 "2021-12-14T05:53:16Z")
Hypothetical time: The year is 1870. You are a black man in Mississippi. What happens? You get elected to the United States Senate. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/84 "2021-12-14T05:53:25Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > There’s nothing particularly “left-wing” about that view, either. Hell, Liz Cheney makes basically the same arguments about the degradation of the Trump-era Republican party and the reluctance of Americans to realize its implications. But I thought Lizzie was a radical socialist which is why she was kicked out of the Republican party! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/85 "2021-12-14T05:54:10Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > The year is 1870. You are a black man in Mississippi. What happens? You get elected to the United States Senate. Tell me you don’t know what happened in the South as a result of the election of 1876 without telling me you don’t know what happened in the South as a result of the election of 1876. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/86 "2021-12-14T05:54:11Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Oh, I understand it. Clearly not. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/87 "2021-12-14T05:54:25Z")
I don’t need your help understanding anything. “Control Z” is not a metaphor. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/88 "2021-12-14T05:55:11Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > The year is 1870. You are a black man in Mississippi. What happens? You get elected to the United States Senate. 😮 there’s no way you’re serious… > [@](#): > > To date, 11 African Americans have served in the United States Senate. In 1870 Hiram Revels of Mississippi became the first African American senator. Five years later, Blanche K. Bruce of Mississippi took the oath of office. It would be nearly another century, 1967, before Edward Brooke of Massachusetts followed in their historic footsteps. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/89 "2021-12-14T05:55:53Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I don’t need your help understanding anything. “Control Z” is not a metaphor. It’s not a SIMILE because they didn’t use the words “like” or “as”; it’s definitely a metaphor though. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/90 "2021-12-14T05:56:29Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It IS in dispute, since it’s blatantly false. Dude, you can’t just make hundreds of years of legally-implemented white supremacism vanish from US history by shutting your eyes and stopping your ears and declaring it’s “blatantly false” to acknowledge its existence. I mean, the extent of outright historical denialism you’re indulging in here is just pathetic. At least try to give us a bit of interpretative leeway to work with instead of flat-out denial. Is what you’re really trying to say that even a partial democracy based on racial hierarchy still counts as “democracy” in some sense (as one could arguably claim about, e.g., the ancient Athenian city-states as well), and that’s why you still maintain that US democracy is much older than 1965? Because that position would be, although still quite debatable, at least not so obstinately and simplistically anti-factual. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/91 "2021-12-14T05:58:51Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Is what you’re really trying to say that even a partial democracy based on racial hierarchy still counts as “democracy” in some sense (as one could arguably claim about, e.g., the ancient Athenian city-states as well), and that’s why you still maintain that US democracy is much older than 1965? No, he’s trying to say there was no racism in America because a black guy was elected senator. Never mind that they then rewrote the rules to make sure it didn’t happen again for a hundred years - there was a black senator in 1870 so racism went extinct with the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863. It’s pretty clear if you read his posts. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/92 "2021-12-14T06:00:43Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I don’t need your help understanding anything. The statements you’re making in your posts reveal that your confidence in this regard is unjustified. > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > “Control Z” is not a metaphor. Do you understand that the “control-Z” keystroke combo is frequently implemented as a way to “undo” a previous action in a software program? Do you get why many, many people (not just the writer of the linked article) therefore use a reference to “control-Z” to symbolize any attempt to “undo” recent developments in general, not just in software? Do you even know what a metaphor is? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/93 "2021-12-14T06:00:47Z")
There’s nothing anti-factual about stating that the United States was a democracy well before 1965. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/94 "2021-12-14T06:01:53Z")
Then address the hypothetical in post 81. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/95 "2021-12-14T06:02:34Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Then address the hypothetical in post 81 He did, by pointing out that there was a black senator in 1870. Ignoring the following 100 years is just how he rolls, dawg. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/96 "2021-12-14T06:05:31Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Do you even know what a metaphor is? Yes, I do. Internet gamer shorthand doesn’t qualify. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/97 "2021-12-14T06:06:45Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > there was a black senator in 1870 so racism went extinct with the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863 If D\_Anconia was actually trying to make an argument along the lines that incomplete Black suffrage in the 1870s constituted the advent of true democracy in the US, despite its being subsequently rolled back by discriminatory laws until the 1960s civil rights movement, that would at least be a viewpoint worth arguing about. But I don’t think he’s admitting even that much potential nuance. What he’s saying is that the white Founding Fathers called their racially discriminatory suffrage-for-white-men setup a “democracy”, so therefore democracy existed in the US before the 1960s, and no rational person could possibly think otherwise. I mean, it’s not even shallow. It’s pure surface reflection of traditional patriotic pieties, completely unadulterated by actual thought. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/98 "2021-12-14T06:08:18Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > What he’s saying Don’t go there lady. You do NOT get to tell others what they are thinking/saying. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/99 "2021-12-14T06:09:03Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Yes, I do. Internet gamer shorthand doesn’t qualify. The first part is obviously false, since the origin of a metaphor doesn’t affect its status as a metaphor. Also, hilariously clueless that you think “control z” is some sort of video game shorthand, and not a standard computing term for at least forty years now. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/100 "2021-12-14T06:11:19Z")
Find me a mainstream article, even CNN or MSNBC, that uses “Control-Z” as a talking point. Some random person from Sri Lanka doesn’t count. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930.md?page=6)