# Newsom: CA to pass Texas-style law targeting gun sellers **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 12, 2021, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930 "2021-12-12T05:17:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/101 "2021-12-14T06:11:43Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Also, hilariously clueless that you think “control z” is some sort of video game shorthand, and not a standard computing term for at least forty years now. Sure, maybe you could crtl-z on computers in 1981, but the Brookhaven National Laboratory debuted Tennis For Two in 1958, therefore video games are Antifa! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/102 "2021-12-14T06:16:11Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Internet gamer shorthand doesn’t qualify. Why not? Do you think that new metaphors never get invented in the English language, or that “internet gamers” are somehow intrinsically disqualified from inventing them? How far back do you think we have to go in the history of technology before metaphorical expressions derived from that technology “qualify” as actual metaphors? Is “hitting the reset button” a legitimate metaphor, for example? “Swiping left” on a suggestion to imply rejecting it? “Dialing it back” to imply reducing the intensity of an attitude or discussion? > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > You do NOT get to tell others what they are thinking/saying. Sure I do. I am not necessarily guaranteed to be right in my take on what others are thinking or saying, but I am certainly entitled to express what my take on the subject is. Frankly, if you weren’t doing such a lousy job of explaining what you mean by your statements in this thread, I wouldn’t have to try to fill in the gaps. But when you resort to gnomic absurdities like “Control Z is not a metaphor”, then all we’re left with is our own best attempts to interpret what you could possibly think that that means. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/103 "2021-12-14T06:16:56Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Find me a mainstream article, even CNN or MSNBC, that uses “Control-Z” as a talking point. Why? What is that meant to prove? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/104 "2021-12-14T06:18:55Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It IS in dispute, since it’s blatantly false. So, in your world the Voting Rights Act of 1965 never happened? “Literacy tests” specifically intended to prevent black people from voting never existed? Republicans haven’t been going around for decades trying to suppress voting by blacks and lower-income people who tend to vote Democrat? And these efforts haven’t been ratcheted up to a shocking extent after 2020? > **[The Republicans’ staggering effort to attack voting rights in Biden’s first...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/28/republicans-voter-suppression-biden-100-days)** > > The effort has been unprecedented not only in its volume as more than 360 bills with voting restrictions have been introduced so far – but also in its scope Or maybe you’d like to explain to us just what part of this is “blatantly false”. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/105 "2021-12-14T06:19:20Z")
Just that random internet rants, like the cited article, have no value, in terms of rational discourse. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/106 "2021-12-14T06:21:16Z")
The thing about facts is that they don’t change on the basis of the “value” you assign to the person reporting them. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/107 "2021-12-14T06:21:52Z")
I haven’t seen very many facts in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/108 "2021-12-14T06:22:28Z")
Then perhaps you should consult an optician. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/109 "2021-12-14T06:24:34Z")
That’s a convenient way to avoid dealing with arguments you don’t know how to refute. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/110 "2021-12-14T06:32:29Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Find me a mainstream article, even CNN or MSNBC, that uses “Control-Z” as a talking point. Oh, for pity’s sake. [Here](https://www.scribd.com/podcast/513722892/Biden-s-first-17-actions-in-17-minutes-In-his-first-few-minutes-in-office-President-Biden-hit-CTRL-Z-on-former-President-Trump-s-agenda), for example, is a “Today Explained” podcast on [Vox.com](http://Vox.com), by CBC/NPR political commentator Sean Rameswaram, that uses “Control-Z” as a political metaphor for “undoing” Trump policies, in exactly the same way as the linked article does: > [@](#): > > In his first few minutes in office, President Biden hit CTRL+Z on former President Trump’s agenda. > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Some random person from Sri Lanka doesn’t count. Because what do those third-world brown people understand about democracy and global politics, huh? For those who aren’t so determinedly closed-minded about viewpoints from elsewhere in the world, Indi Samarajiva (the author of that still-not-particularly-left-wing “stupid coup” essay) is a Canadian-born, US-raised political commentator who now lives in Colombo, Sri Lanka. He is a frequent commentator on political topics for both Canadian and US public radio. FFS, D\_Anconia, do I have to do all the work of researching and explaining things for you while you just snap out denials of things you don’t like hearing? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/111 "2021-12-14T06:35:57Z")
Oh, well, if it’s on VOX it must be true! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/112 "2021-12-14T06:37:24Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > FFS, D\_Anconia, do I have to do all the work of researching and explaining things for you while you just snap out denials of things you don’t like hearing? > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > if it’s on VOX it must be true! I think that’s a “Yes”, @Kimstu. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/113 "2021-12-14T06:37:48Z")
You don’t have to agree that the claim about Biden’s “Control-Z” policy is true, but presumably you now understand that it IS an actual metaphor. If you don’t, just say so, because I can find lots of other examples of mainstream news using the “Control-Z” metaphor in exactly the same way. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/114 "2021-12-14T06:40:48Z")
Let’s get down to brass tacks. Do you really believe that our “democracy was founded in 1965 by black people”? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/115 "2021-12-14T06:45:21Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I think that’s a “Yes”, @Kimstu. Yeah, I figured. Oh well, as long as I’m being D\_Anconia’s unpaid research assistant, here’s another mainstream media example of the “Control-Z” metaphor to represent a political reset or “undo”. [St. Joseph News-Press](https://www.newspressnow.com/opinion/newtons_law/repeals-and-the-undoing-of-governing/article_f89d81b9-417c-5a60-9388-4f394a595796.html), 2013: > [@](#): > > Last week in Missouri, the General Assembly took part in a veto session, rehashing work done earlier this year that proved unsatisfactory to the state’s governor. > > The sponsor of a controversial tax cut bill, reading the tea leaves and seeing an unlikely path to a veto override, asked Gov. Jay Nixon to call an “extraordinary session” to fix a few things in the measure. > > It did not happen, and lawmakers sustained the veto. The Ctrl-Z did not work in that case. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/116 "2021-12-14T06:46:18Z")
In the sense that universal adult suffrage did not exist in this country until the passage of the Voting Rights Act, and that it was mass protests by African-Americans such as MLK that provided the impetus for the passage of that law, along with public outrage at the murder of black voting rights activists in the South by white supremacists around the same time, then yes. Which is the exact meaning the author intended. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/117 "2021-12-14T06:53:29Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Do you really believe that our “democracy was founded in 1965 by black people”? If “democracy” means true universal suffrage and equality before the law, then yeah, that’s about when the US got it. (And although it was not solely Black Americans who brought about that progress, they were its key movers and the people who sacrificed most for it. so yeah, it’s fair to give them the “founder” label.) If “democracy” can just mean a system of government with legally entrenched white supremacy where (most) white men have effective suffrage and there’s no legally recognized hereditary governing aristocracy, then US “democracy” goes back to the country’s original separation from the British Empire in the 18th century. We can argue about which of those definitions we consider a more valid interpretation of the term “democracy”, but so far you seem to prefer simply to mindlessly deny that the former definition can possibly exist or have meaning. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/118 "2021-12-14T13:12:49Z")
No. You don’t get to control the terminology here. I’ve seen that tactic and I’m not going to let it go when it is used anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/119 "2021-12-14T13:18:58Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > We can argue about which of those definitions we consider a more valid interpretation of the term “democracy”, but so far you seem to prefer simply to mindlessly deny that the former definition can possibly exist or have meaning. The quote specifically says “your democracy” tho, and the democracy we live in is different than the one that existed prior to 1965. So the quote is accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/120 "2021-12-14T15:26:48Z")
Fivethirtyeight has a bit of a different take as to why there was an upsurge in firearms purchases during 2020. And it’s not because of Democrats buying guns for protection. Quite the opposite, in fact. > **[What New Data On Gun Recoveries Can Tell Us About Increased Violence In 2020](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-new-data-on-gun-recoveries-can-tell-us-about-increased-violence-in-2020/)** > > This article is a collaboration between FiveThirtyEight and The Trace, a nonprofit newsroom reporting on gun violence. In March 2020, as the first COVID-19 outb… > Put more plainly, thousands of guns purchased in 2020 were almost immediately used in crimes — some as soon as a day after their sale. > “Overall, I think we can say that the gun sale surge may have contributed to a surge in crime,” said Julia Schleimer, a researcher in the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis, after reviewing the ATF’s data. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930.md?page=7)