# Newsom: CA to pass Texas-style law targeting gun sellers **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 12, 2021, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930 "2021-12-12T05:17:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/121 "2021-12-14T17:16:45Z")
[quote=“Kimstu, post:73, topic:955930”] “Democracy” in the sense of actually having equal rights under the law for everybody irrespective of race? Yes, that’s a reasonable statement. Are you really unaware that during nearly the first two hundred years of the United States’ existence its society was only very incompletely democratic, due to the disenfranchisement of Black people via slavery and legal segregation? (And a bunch of other white-supremacist discriminatory laws too, of course.)[/quote] Segregation didn’t disenfranchise Blacks it was Jim Crow Laws. And there are plenty still on the books today. We could also pick 1971 when 18 yo could finally vote. Or- never, since that is when babies are allowed to vote. No one sane defines a democracy" as somewhere where **everyone,** regardless or age, prison status, immigration status, etc gets to vote. That definition means democracy never occurs. > [@Smapti](#): > > America did not have universal adult suffrage under the law until 1965, and one party in this country is still actively trying to undo that. Yes, America did, after the Civil war. There have always been attempts at voter suppression, it is alive and well today. > [@Kimstu](#): > > Dude, you can’t just make hundreds of years of legally-implemented white supremacism vanish from US history by shutting your eyes and stopping your ears and declaring it’s “blatantly false” to acknowledge its existence. Yes, because the statement was blatantly false. No one was saying there there was not- and still is to an extent- legally-implemented white supremacism . What we are saying is that does not define the word “democracy”. That definition _is_ blatantly false. Racial discrimination is a fact, although certainly better now than the late 1800’s early 1900’s. But that is not how you define “democracy”. Ever since 1868 Blacks could legally vote. Except by extra-legal shit the racist South did voter suppression- which they are still doing. Can we get back to the OP? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/122 "2021-12-14T17:19:34Z")
So is a Monarchy a democracy then since the King or Queen gets to vote? Does more than one person need to be able to have a vote, or is it just that as long as one person gets to call the shots it counts? What percentage of the population being able to participate grants a society the right to call itself a democracy? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/123 "2021-12-14T17:29:00Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > No, he’s trying to say there was no racism in America because a black guy was elected senator. No he is not. He wasn’t discussing racism at all. He was discussing the **definition of Democracy** , which does not depend upon whether or not racism exists- because it does now, and likely will forever. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/124 "2021-12-14T17:36:14Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > If “democracy” means true universal suffrage and equality before the law, then yeah, that’s about when the US got it. No, since voter suppression exists today. So you could pick 1789, 1868, 1920, 1965 1971 or never. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/125 "2021-12-14T17:37:09Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No, since voter suppression exists today. So you could pick 1789, 1868, 1920, 1965 1971 or never Yes, there are people doing their best to destroy our democracy. In some cases they are succeeding. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/126 "2021-12-14T17:37:17Z")
Can we get back to the OP? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/127 "2021-12-14T17:49:51Z")
No; not yet. You’re wrong. (ETA: You do not get to define the terminology; I’m simply not going to give the pro-death side this leeway any longer.) Now we can get back to the OP. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/128 "2021-12-14T21:09:03Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Can we get back to the OP? You know, you do this ALL THE TIME. You reply to posts that you consider off-topic, then follow up with “Can we get back to the OP?” If you want to get back to the OP, start replying to the OP and not what you consider hijacks. “Here’s my (authoritative) opinion on this hijack, but no one else is allowed to discuss it anymore!” Physician, heal thyself. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/129 "2021-12-14T21:45:37Z")
I do. But I at least responded to their points, which I consider polite. I am saying I do not s to continue this hijack. You are perfectly welcome to start a new thread about this issue, that would be good, I would be happy to respond there. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/130 "2021-12-15T01:42:02Z")
Report the offending posts and quit whining. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930/131 "2021-12-15T03:05:43Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The longer violence runs out of control in the big Democratic cities Violence in American cities is still not remotely close to where it used to be, but Democrats weren’t snapping up guns in record numbers back then. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/newsom-ca-to-pass-texas-style-law-targeting-gun-sellers/955930.md?page=6)