# Next Tolkien books to read **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** middle-earth\ **Created:** [February 17, 2013, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613 "2013-02-17T19:05:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![FasterThanMeerkats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/278dde/32.png) [@FasterThanMeerkats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FasterThanMeerkats)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/1 "2013-02-17T19:05:23Z")
Ok, at age 31 have just reread my childhood favorites of _The Hobbit_ and _The Lord of the Rings_. Never read any other Tolkien works and have always wanted to explore them, but never knew where to start. So, what other Tolkien books should I read, in what order, and why? Many thanks to all respondents.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/2 "2013-02-17T19:23:17Z")
Children of Hurin is really the only other finished, polished Tolkien book set in Middle-Earth (albeit published posthumously). All of the other vast array of Middle-Earth-related material is either hastily but carefully compiled “best copy” drafts (the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, Lost Tales) or painstaking literary research on the evolution of the writing of the LOTR (History of Middle-Earth). Most of what’s left aside from that is short stories and poems. There have been a few collections (Tree and Leaf, for example, which consists of his essay “On Fairy Stories” and his story “Leaf by Niggle”), and there’s a lot of rather dry academic work. There are also his letters, which expand and explain certain things in the LOTR and Hobbit. [Here’s Wiki’s bibliography for Tolkien](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._R._Tolkien_bibliography) I would personally suggest finding “Farmer Giles of Ham” and “Leaf by Niggle” in the short story category, “On Fairy Stories” in the non-fiction category, and the Letters. I’d also recommend finding The Silmarillion and just using it as a browsing book, as it’s not really a single narrative. It’s more like the Bible than LOTR. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/3 "2013-02-17T19:26:40Z")
I am one of those who was never much moved by Tolkien (ground to a halt around the start of RotK about three times and gave up), but from several very dedicated reader/fans… absolutely nothing but these four books are really worth reading. Dreary, disconnected, and mostly a case of publishing laundry lists and post-it notes, I gather, and \*Children \*is so dull as to be unpublishable except, you know, JRRT. - all hearsay but it’s what I’ve heard from believable sources. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/4 "2013-02-17T19:30:27Z")
**FasterThanMeerkats** , you may get a better answer if you describe what element or aspect of the books particularly _does_ move you. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/5 "2013-02-17T19:37:46Z")
> [@NitroPress](#): > > I am one of those who was never much moved by Tolkien (ground to a halt around the start of RotK about three times and gave up), but from several very dedicated reader/fans… absolutely nothing but these four books are really worth reading. Dreary, disconnected, and mostly a case of publishing laundry lists and post-it notes, I gather, and \*Children \*is so dull as to be unpublishable except, you know, JRRT. - all hearsay but it’s what I’ve heard from believable sources. Since you haven’t read the Ring trilogy, offering advice about other books that you haven’t read seems unhelpful – albeit not _quite_ to the level of threadshitting. You might want to avoid sharing opinions based on your preconceptions rather than your experience. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim_r.mortiss/32/142_2.png) [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/6 "2013-02-17T19:41:31Z")
I’d say it depends on your enjoyment of the appendices at the end of RotK. If you ate those up with a spoon, you’d probably enjoy _The Silmarillion_ and _Unfinished Tales_. If you found the appendices too dry to be enjoyed, it’s time to move on to another author. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/7 "2013-02-17T19:43:16Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > Since you haven’t read the Ring trilogy, offering advice about other books that you haven’t read seems unhelpful – albeit not _quite_ to the level of threadshitting. You might want to avoid sharing opinions based on your preconceptions rather than your experience. I have read the Hobbit several times and FotR and TT a few times, as well as the first third of RotK at least twice. I’ve also browsed several other of the books, which are here on the marital shelf. I don’t think I’m commenting from ignorance and I was careful to specify that my slight considerations are backed up by lifelong discussions with several devoted Tolkien readers. Mine may not be the most deeply informed comment but I don’t think it’s in any slightest way threadshitting. I will, however, defer to the modwhack and move on. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/8 "2013-02-17T20:36:27Z")
Personally, I think that _Children of Hurin_ contained some of the best prose I’ve ever read. And it was certainly morbid, and thick enough that it takes a while to read it, but I don’t think I’d call any of it dull. Of the other Middle-Earth works, you’ve basically got _The Silmarillion_, _Unfinished Tales_, _The Children of Hurin_, and the _History of Middle-Earth_ series (which starts with the two volumes of _The Book of Lost Tales_. I would recommend that you read _The Silmarillion_ before _Unfinished Tales_: Most of the writing in UT is very good, but it is (as it says on the cover) unfinished, so it helps to have context for it. I’m not sure when it would be best to read _Children of Hurin_: A large chunk of it is found, more or less as-is, in _Unfinished Tales_, and the complete story (in a much less detailed version) is found in _Silmarillion_. I don’t recommend the _History of Middle-Earth_ at all, unless you’re specifically interested in the process by which the stories got written, as opposed to the internals of the stories themselves. Also be advised that _The Silmarillion_ has several sections to it, and that some people find the first two sections (the _Valaquenta_ and _Ainulindule_, accounts of the creation of the World) somewhat dry: If you’re one of them, it’s fine to skip over those to the _Silmarillion_ proper, and come back to them later. ---
**Author:** ![FasterThanMeerkats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/278dde/32.png) [@FasterThanMeerkats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FasterThanMeerkats)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2013, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/9 "2013-02-18T00:13:00Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > **FasterThanMeerkats** , you may get a better answer if you describe what element or aspect of the books particularly _does_ move you. I loved the well-told epicness of LOTR and the personable, less serious adventure aspect of _The Hobbit_. Each were well done, though with dramatically different styles. I’m also a fan of _A Song of Ice and Fire_ if that helps. Basically good writing and a good story is all I ask (though RR Martin does carry on a bit much). ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2013, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/10 "2013-02-18T00:20:24Z")
> [@NitroPress](#): > > I am one of those who was never much moved by Tolkien (ground to a halt around the start of RotK about three times and gave up), but from several very dedicated reader/fans… absolutely nothing but these four books are really worth reading. Dreary, disconnected, and mostly a case of publishing laundry lists and post-it notes, I gather, and \*Children \*is so dull as to be unpublishable except, you know, JRRT. - all hearsay but it’s what I’ve heard from believable sources. Speaking someone pretty much introduced to Tolkien by the movies, I must say that I adore CHILDREN OF HURIN, as well as THE SILMARILLION and much of his other work. In fact, I prefer Sil to LotR. Though mine is a minority opinion, I’d say anyone who has made it all the way through LotR has about a 25% chance of liking SIL, especially if they skip the Ainulindale and go straight to the story. The first section is best approached as reference material. In fact, I wouldn’t mind if Sil were published, as an ebook, with much of the first section broken up and accessible primarily as links when the names of Valar and Maiar come up, and a similar treatment for the character name glossary at the back. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2013, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/11 "2013-02-18T00:33:35Z")
I’m a lifelong Tolkien enthusiastic, but I didn’t read _The Silmarillion_ or any of the rest until adulthood. My opinion is that _The Silmarillion_, _The Children of Húrin_, and _Unfinished Tales_ are extremely enjoyable, and indispensable for a Tolkien fan. I do also enjoy reading _Farmer Giles of Ham_, though it is not set in Middle Earth. Unless you have a very poor reader attention span or can only read at the sixth-grade level or less, none of the above are “unreadable” in any sense. I didn’t just enjoy reading those books, I have thoroughly enjoyed re-reading them on multiple occasions. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2013, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/12 "2013-02-18T01:45:35Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Skald the Rhymer** : > > Speaking someone pretty much introduced to Tolkien by the movies… Wait, what? I’d figured you had been reading Tolkien since you were old enough to hold the books unassisted. And haven’t you complained in the past about the movies not being all that great? ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2013, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/13 "2013-02-18T03:02:31Z")
Smith of Wooten Major Farmer Giles of Ham Sir Gawain and the Green Knight ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2013, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/14 "2013-02-18T07:17:19Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Speaking someone pretty much introduced to Tolkien by the movies, I must say that I adore CHILDREN OF HURIN, as well as THE SILMARILLION and much of his other work. In fact, I prefer Sil to LotR. Though mine is a minority opinion, I’d say anyone who has made it all the way through LotR has about a 25% chance of liking SIL, especially if they skip the Ainulindale and go straight to the story. The first section is best approached as reference material. > > In fact, I wouldn’t mind if Sil were published, as an ebook, with much of the first section broken up and accessible primarily as links when the names of Valar and Maiar come up, and a similar treatment for the character name glossary at the back. The Silmarillion is different in style than the hobbit books. They are legends written in a biblical style. Many people who like Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit find it impossible to read. That said, I think it is the keystone piece of fantasy literature. Without it having been written, the hobbit books would not be in the rich context they are, much less all the imitators. I also think that it is better than the hobbit books. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2013, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/15 "2013-02-18T10:54:28Z")
> [@FasterThanMeerkats](#): > > I loved the well-told epicness of LOTR and the personable, less serious adventure aspect of _The Hobbit_. Each were well done, though with dramatically different styles. I’m also a fan of _A Song of Ice and Fire_ if that helps. Basically good writing and a good story is all I ask (though RR Martin does carry on a bit much). I’d suggest Tales From The Perilous Realm. It’s not set in Middle-earth, but is a collection of novellas and poems, some of which have already been mentioned. Maybe borrow The Silmarillion and try it, but if you’ve not finished ROTK and read the appendices, I doubt you’ll like it much. There’s none of the less serious nature of The Hobbit in it, and whilst the overarching story is actually more epic than LOTR, and there are passages of great writing, it’s inconsistent, and betrays the fact that it was stitched together from various drafts from several decades of writing. Basically, if you love Middle-earth, and Tolkien’s vision, read the Silmarillion and the other posthumous works. If you love epic fantasy, and want more of that, look for other authors. ---
**Author:** ![carlb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carlb/32/5930_2.png) [@carlb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carlb)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2013, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/16 "2013-02-18T12:36:09Z")
For anyone having trouble getting through _The Silmarillion_, I would suggest reading it in conjunction with [The Tolkien Professor](http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/wp/)’s “[Silmarillion Seminar](http://tolkienprofessor.com/wp/lectures/courses/silmarillion-seminar/)” podcast. It’s a chapter-by-chapter dissection of the book, led by Dr. Olsen, with discussion and questions by and from a small group of readers. It can get a bit too in-depth at times, and there’s one participant that I have to fast-forward past because I find him annoying, but on the whole it’s a great way to have someone knowledgeable help you along through the text. ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2013, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/17 "2013-02-18T12:54:19Z")
Here’s a website that’s a good guide to Tolkien’s works: [http://home.earthlink.net/~dbratman/tolkien\_bib.html](http://home.earthlink.net/~dbratman/tolkien_bib.html) I would say that you might want to read the short books as a diversion before going on things like _The Silmarillion_ and _The History of Middle-earth_. So perhaps start with _Farmer Giles of Ham_, _Leaf by Niggle_, _Smith of Wootten Major_, etc. _The Silmarillion_ is going to be a little bit of a job to read, so perhaps before you read it you can read those short works, maybe supplemented by reading some of his letters or a biography before getting to it. ---
**Author:** ![Apocalypso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Apocalypso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apocalypso)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2013, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/18 "2013-02-18T14:22:49Z")
I’ve read/re-read everything except the Silmarillion recently (it’s next on the list). Keep in mind everything except the Hobbit/LOTR deals with ancient history and is somewhat fragmented. LOTR is the “main” story, and everything else is an attempt to explain some of the backstory behind it. For example, the Druedan are a race of short, stocky people that are only very briefly mentioned in LOTR (because they were thought to have died out by that time). Unfinished Tales has a bit explaining who the Druedan were and what happened to them. It’s not terribly extensive or terribly important, but it does add that little extra element to the main story. **Unfinished Tales** seems to cover a lot of backstory that takes place closer to LOTR and The Hobbit. For example, it has a nice section on the Rohirrim and the Battles of the Fords of Isen (when Sauruman first attacked Rohan at the Fords just prior to the events in The Two Towers). A lot of names mentioned briefly in TTT are here, Elfhelm, Erkenbrand, Theoden Kings son Theodred and his fate, etc. Very insightful at getting the bigger picture of the events in LOTR. It also details some of the pre-story to the Hobbit, namely Thorin’s meeting with Gandalf where Gandalf convinced the Dwarves to take Bilbo on their quest to the Lonely Mountain. There’s also a section describing Numenor and its people, a section on the Palantir, etc. I’d strongly recommend you read this next, it really brings life to the backstories of LOTR and you will re-read LOTR with new understanding. **The Children of Hurin** , as mentioned by other posters, appears in both The Silmarillion and Unfinished tales. I haven’t compared the different versions but I think the stand alone Children of Hurin book is the most detailed and complete, and Christopher Tolkien attempted to sort through the different versions and produce the “definitive” version. It deals with the era of Morgoth in the land of Berialand - the westernmost part of Middle-Earth which was destroyed, waaay before LOTR. Sauron is mentioned briefly here and there as Morgoth’s lieutenant but doesn’t play a major part. Some “ancient” history that is mentioned in LOTR very briefly is in here (Elrond speaks of Thangrodim being broken at the Council in the Fellowship), a few names surface here and there in LOTR (Elrond’s dad and his hidden city of Gondolin, some of the places Treebeard talks about where he walked in his youth). Very interesting, but it’s a whole new land and a different age, so not that much will be familiar to LOTR readers. The story of Beren and Luthien and how they stole the Silmarillion from Morgoth’s crown occured around this time and is mentioned briefly but that story is not told here. It was supposed to be a stand-alone story (like the Children of Hurin), but was never finished and never will be. **The Silmarillion** goes back to the beginning (although it covers many different ages) and is just very densely packed. It deals with the first elves and their histories and can be very confusing due to the sheer amount of names and lineages involved. There’s about twelve dozen different groups of elves (slight exaggeration;)) depending on whether they heard the call to return to the West, whether they ANSWERED the call, whether they made it the whole way back or stopped before or after Ered Luin, whether they eventually made it to Valar or not. It’s very complicated, and I’d definitely recommend you read it, but not until you finish the others. ---
**Author:** ![cjepson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9adbd/32.png) [@cjepson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cjepson)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/19 "2013-02-18T16:28:01Z")
I enjoyed _The Return of the Shadow_ (which is essentially Christopher Tolkien’s piecing together of the early drafts of _The Fellowship of the Ring_) because Tolkien’s original ideas were so different from how the book ended up. ---
**Author:** ![cjepson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9adbd/32.png) [@cjepson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cjepson)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2013, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613/20 "2013-02-18T16:35:11Z")
> [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > I’d say it depends on your enjoyment of the appendices at the end of RotK. If you ate those up with a spoon, you’d probably enjoy _The Silmarillion_ and _Unfinished Tales_. If you found the appendices too dry to be enjoyed, it’s time to move on to another author. This is exactly correct, except for one thing: Even if you didn’t like the appendices, you might still enjoy _Farmer Giles of Ham_ (kind of _Hobbit_-ish) and _Smith of Wootton Major_ (a little more like the early adult fantasies Tolkien was emulating with his Middle-Earth stories). _Leaf by Niggle_ is different – it’s not a fairy-story. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-tolkien-books-to-read/650613.md?page=2)