# Next up: Indiana and North Carolina **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 23, 2008, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509 "2008-04-23T05:15:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/281 "2008-05-07T04:07:12Z")
I think that with remaining absentee ballots and provisional ballots we just won’t know until tomorrow folks. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/282 "2008-05-07T04:10:24Z")
[QUOTE=rikc] I’ve heard (so sorry GD, this is a rumor) that Hillary’s canceled all appearances on talk shows tomorrow. [/QUOTE] MSNBC reported that a little bit ago. ETA: MSNBC also keeps saying tonight “ends it”. Russert just said “we just found out who the nominee will be.” ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/283 "2008-05-07T04:19:51Z")
[QUOTE=Bayard] ETA: MSNBC also keeps saying tonight “ends it”. Russert just said “we just found out who the nominee will be.” [/QUOTE] I’m curious. Anyone know if she somehow manages to seat the Florida and Michigan delegates how that changes things? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/284 "2008-05-07T04:20:44Z")
Even Fox is kind of admitting that it’s over. They seem sort of dejected, but at least they aren’t trying to sell it as a fight anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/285 "2008-05-07T04:21:34Z")
[QUOTE=Whack-a-Mole] I’m curious. Anyone know if she somehow manages to seat the Florida and Michigan delegates how that changes things? [/QUOTE] According to the MSNBC folks, even if FL and MI were seated & counted, Obama would still lead in delegates and in the popular vote. Hence the “this ends it” mantra – the metrics are completely against a Clinton nomination. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/286 "2008-05-07T04:26:06Z")
Obama to Hillary: _Hoosier Daddy_?! ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/287 "2008-05-07T04:27:29Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Obama to Hillary: _Hoosier Daddy_?! [/QUOTE] Heh. Good one 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/288 "2008-05-07T04:30:15Z")
So what does Clinton do? Anybody think she drops out? On the one hand, I see her staying in because, hey, maybe BHO turns up with the proverbial dead girl or live boy. Why not keep in it? But MSNBC keeps harping on Clinton’s shortage of cash. Does she stick it out for the rest of the month? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/289 "2008-05-07T04:31:27Z")
[QUOTE=Euphonious Polemic] What did she even mean by this? Broken what tie? Over the course of the night, her lead in Indiana got smaller and smaller. She was never in it in NC? Huh? [/QUOTE] Hey, she had the nerve to claim that her “win” in Indiana was a come-from-behind victory. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/290 "2008-05-07T04:36:30Z")
[QUOTE=Bayard] So what does Clinton do? Anybody think she drops out? On the one hand, I see her staying in because, hey, maybe BHO turns up with the proverbial dead girl or live boy. Why not run keep in it? But MSNBC keeps harping on Clinton’s shortage of cash. Does she stick it out for the rest of the month? [/QUOTE] My guess (emphasis on guess): HRC does not give up. She works to seat the MI & FL delegates. She’s gone this far she probably figures to play it till the end if only for pride. IF (note the big “IF”) she gets FL & MI counted she is in a better position. She will work to convince the supers she is more electable and pull off a convention upset. To avoid that enough supers need to line up with Obama between now and the end of the primaries in June to guarantee his win no matter what happens. Even then HRC may push if for no other reason than political gain (promise her something to make her go away and line up behind Obama for the general election). My $0.02 ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/291 "2008-05-07T04:36:42Z")
Down to a 16,600 vote difference. Woo-hoo! ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/292 "2008-05-07T04:37:18Z")
I think Clinton’s done. Whether she concedes or not depends on what her end game is. If she’s angling for VP, then she might be willing to push on a bit to try to force that kind of concession from Obama. BUt if all she was interested in was the presidency, she’s got to pack it in now. I think her hand will be forced anyway. I expect a bunch of delegates to jump to Obama shortly. Maybe even a lot of them. If she won’t get the hint, they’ll tell her. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/293 "2008-05-07T04:37:36Z")
Monroe is 98% in, Obama won it 64-36, a 5,000 vote margin. Lake’s at 56% reporting, Obama up 65-35. He’s at a 17,000 vote gap. ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/294 "2008-05-07T04:38:19Z")
[QUOTE=Bayard] But MSNBC keeps harping on Clinton’s shortage of cash. Does she stick it out for the rest of the month? [/QUOTE] I was just mentioning to my wife that _that_ is the most likely outcome of tonight, her campaign money will dry up. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/295 "2008-05-07T04:39:18Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Obama to Hillary: _Hoosier Daddy_?! [/QUOTE] No, release him; I refuse to sign the damned warrant. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/296 "2008-05-07T04:42:04Z")
I think the trend is irreversible, once you go Barrack, you never go back… ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/297 "2008-05-07T04:43:20Z")
[QUOTE=Garfield226] Lake’s at 56% reporting, Obama up 65-35. He’s at a 17,000 vote gap. [/QUOTE] Hey! No fair rounding up. Who are you, Hillary or something? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/298 "2008-05-07T04:43:40Z")
[85-95 percent turnout in Gary](http://nwitimes.com/blogs/election/?p=47). This is nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/299 "2008-05-07T04:45:03Z")
[QUOTE=Sam Stone] I think Clinton’s done. Whether she concedes or not depends on what her end game is. If she’s angling for VP, then she might be willing to push on a bit to try to force that kind of concession from Obama. [/QUOTE] I cannot imagine Obama having her as VP (or vice versa). However I agree she may well play an endgame to get some concessions. No idea what those are but she has real power in telling Obama she can pull for him or against him in the general election. She’ll get something for that…especially if she tells all of her “I won’t vote for Obama” people to vote for Obama. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/300 "2008-05-07T04:48:29Z")
She concedes within the week. She needed another PA sized win to drive another round of contributions to keep her going. It didn’t happen. Her campaign is allegedly already in the hole. There is no gas tax holiday that will allow her to fill that tank back up enough to go another round. Many many supers have been just waiting for the right opportunity to come out and declare. This is it. The tap will open over the next 24 hrs. She is meeting tomorrow with “her” supers and many of them will be telling her to hang it up or they jump ship too. Florida and Michigan get seated, even as is, no longer mattering. Now onto VP choice … Seriously, the MSNBC crowd had an interesting point. Not Hillary but a Hillary surrogate will be a serious consideration. Maybe a governor who can help deliver a swing state (Rendell? Gawd I hope not!) or another Hillary mainstay like Wes Clark? Ach. Deserves its own thread now that it is time for serious thoughts and lets get Lake counted first! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509.md?page=16)