# Next up: Indiana and North Carolina **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 23, 2008, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509 "2008-04-23T05:15:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/61 "2008-04-24T18:44:04Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] [IFPTE Endorses Senator Barack Obama for President](http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGCBRj) [/QUOTE] Geeks for Obama! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ZebraShaSha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/eada6e/32.png) [@ZebraShaSha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZebraShaSha)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/62 "2008-04-24T20:40:07Z")
Just got back from voting in North Carolina. Not only is the Arcade Fire a huge deal and everyone seems to be talking about it, the Obama headquarters was buzzing. Hillary’s was sad and desolate, the chalk letters “HILLARY '08” faded from the brick exterior wall, the lights dimmed. There was even a chipper table set up outside the courthouse with an Obama volunteer telling everyone to vote - no one else had a table. I smell a slaughter. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/63 "2008-04-24T20:46:59Z")
[QUOTE=ZebraShaSha] I smell a slaughter. [/QUOTE] I love the smell of slaughter in the morning. [/Apocalypse Now] ---
**Author:** ![burundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ec8ea/32.png) [@burundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burundi)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/64 "2008-04-24T20:58:21Z")
[QUOTE=ZebraShaSha] Just got back from voting in North Carolina. Not only is the Arcade Fire a huge deal and everyone seems to be talking about it, the Obama headquarters was buzzing. Hillary’s was sad and desolate, the chalk letters “HILLARY '08” faded from the brick exterior wall, the lights dimmed. There was even a chipper table set up outside the courthouse with an Obama volunteer telling everyone to vote - no one else had a table. I smell a slaughter. [/QUOTE] Yeah, but Clinton will claim that North Carolina doesn’t matter. Even though we have more delegates than Indiana. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/65 "2008-04-24T21:10:19Z")
[QUOTE=burundi] Yeah, but Clinton will claim that North Carolina doesn’t matter. Even though we have more delegates than Indiana. [/QUOTE] You see, Clinton can’t win the nomination with this type of thinking, and she’s been continually thinking this way for several months, the only person to blame for her loss will be HRC herself! As cliche as it sounds, Obama has been in it to win it - not that Hillary doesn’t want to win it, but she certainly did not prepare for what will one day be talked about her crumpled candidacy. September will roll around and this will all be a memory anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/66 "2008-04-24T21:12:26Z")
[QUOTE=burundi] Yeah, but Clinton will claim that North Carolina doesn’t matter. Even though we have more delegates than Indiana. [/QUOTE] Yeah, but even Jesse Jackson could win in North Carolina. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/67 "2008-04-24T22:56:35Z")
Boy, Pat Buchanan is spinning furiously to keep Hillary in this race. He just pronounced that even if Obama blows out Hillary in NC, as long as Hillary wins Indiana, even by a single vote, “she keeps her momentum.” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/68 "2008-04-24T23:07:11Z")
[QUOTE=spoke-] Boy, Pat Buchanan is spinning furiously to keep Hillary in this race. He just pronounced that even if Obama blows out Hillary in NC, as long as Hillary wins Indiana, even by a single vote, “she keeps her momentum.” :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Good - so when Obama beats Clinton we can watch Buchanan sqirm. 🙂 There’s only one way to skin a cat, and Clinton’ was skinned months ago when she discounted the potomac primaries and just about every win Obama blew her away in. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/69 "2008-04-24T23:47:56Z")
[QUOTE=spoke-] Boy, Pat Buchanan is spinning furiously to keep Hillary in this race. He just pronounced that even if Obama blows out Hillary in NC, as long as Hillary wins Indiana, even by a single vote, “she keeps her momentum.” :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Well, he’s right. She keeps losing delegates. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2008, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/70 "2008-04-25T00:24:59Z")
[QUOTE=spoke-] Boy, Pat Buchanan is spinning furiously to keep Hillary in this race. [/QUOTE] 😕 Since when does he like her?! ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2008, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/71 "2008-04-25T01:15:17Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] 😕 Since when does he like her?! [/QUOTE] I don’t know since when but he was the only strident Hillary supporter on MSNBC. There other Hill supporters but none as enthusiatic. In the other thread I noted the marked difference in the primary coverage. MSNBC started with breathless anticipation of an upset and then settled down to “Oh well, she’s back where she started-- far behind.” CNN started with breathless anticipation of a big win and then ramped it up with “She won! She won! Yay!” Did anyone else get this impression? ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2008, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/72 "2008-04-25T01:28:47Z")
[QUOTE=Biggirl] I don’t know since when but he was the only strident Hillary supporter on MSNBC. There other Hill supporters but none as enthusiatic. In the other thread I noted the marked difference in the primary coverage. MSNBC started with breathless anticipation of an upset and then settled down to “Oh well, she’s back where she started-- far behind.” CNN started with breathless anticipation of a big win and then ramped it up with “She won! She won! Yay!” Did anyone else get this impression? [/QUOTE] I have been terribly dissappointed with a lot of MSM and CNN, MSNBC, ABC all have been spinning this entire campaign. I’m truthfully sad, because the blatent BS from Charlie Gibson and Grorge Stephanopolos - and I like Charlie Gibson! ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2008, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/73 "2008-04-25T01:44:55Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] I have been terribly dissappointed with a lot of MSM and CNN, MSNBC, ABC all have been spinning this entire campaign. I’m truthfully sad, because the blatent BS from Charlie Gibson and Grorge Stephanopolos - and I like Charlie Gibson! [/QUOTE] I’ll admit that I enjoyed MSNBC much more than CNN, I am an Obama supporter after all. But what I really _needed_ was an impartial reporting of the facts. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2008, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/74 "2008-04-25T10:30:02Z")
[New polls out of Indiana](http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/25/0048/21047): Research 2000 has Obama 48, Clinton 47 in a poll taken Wednesday and Thursday. Selzer & Co. Has Obama 41, Clinton 38 in a poll taken Sunday through Wednesday. Research 2000 is generally regarded as one of the best in the business. (I concur with that.) Selzer is rated [elsewhere](http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/03/pollster-ratings-updated.html) as one of the best regional pollsters, but I can’t say I know anything about them. Indiana’s anybody’s ballgame. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/75 "2008-04-26T20:31:17Z")
I’m not counting on Obama winning Indiana. I figure a lot of the undecideds will break for Hillary. A North Carolina blowout would be nice, though. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/76 "2008-04-28T17:00:30Z")
Survey USA now has Hillary up by 9 in IN, Obama up by 9 in NC. I’m getting that awful feeling again… suppose she sweeps? It could be game-set-match. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/77 "2008-04-28T19:03:54Z")
[QUOTE=BobLibDem] Survey USA now has Hillary up by 9 in IN, Obama up by 9 in NC. I’m getting that awful feeling again… suppose she sweeps? It could be game-set-match. [/QUOTE] Whoa, now, don’t panic! SUSA’s most recent poll has to be put in context of their previous results. As noted at [Daily Kos today:](http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/28/123237/678/611/504832) > [@](#): > > Indiana is the only state left on the calendar in which the outcome is in doubt – not the “margin of victory”, but the actual winner him- or herself. While [most polls](http://www.pollster.com/08-IN-Dem-Pres-Primary.php) have the race in Indiana effectively deadlocked, SUSA had given Clinton a 55-39 lead two weeks ago. Their newest effort has that gap closing. > > [SurveyUSA](http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=fbedb864-ec9d-47ab-87f2-c41203a87585&q=45558). 4/25-27. Likely voters. MoE 4% (4/11-13 results) > > Clinton 52 (55) > Obama 43 (39) There, now don’t you feel just a wee bit better? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/78 "2008-04-28T19:06:17Z")
[QUOTE=BobLibDem] Survey USA now has Hillary up by 9 in IN, Obama up by 9 in NC. I’m getting that awful feeling again… suppose she sweeps? It could be game-set-match. [/QUOTE] I do not trust SUSA’s. . . something. As mentioned in this thread they’ve got some serious outliers. 4/11-4/13 had Hill up by 16, while Obama was up in all other polls by 3 to 5%. All the other polls show Obama increasing his lead in Indiana. This means as much as you let it. Obama seems to poll better than he does at the polls. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/79 "2008-04-28T19:08:59Z")
I’m beginning to think this whole primary battle is a conspiracy of the Xanax Manufacturer’s Association. I shall not rest easy until the convention vote is tallied and the confetti drops from the ceiling. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509/80 "2008-05-01T09:54:03Z")
The sky is falling! Insider Advantage now has Hillary up by 2% in NC, PPP has her up by 8% in IN. I think she’s going to win both of them and take the nomination. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-indiana-and-north-carolina/446509.md?page=5)