# Next up: Kentucky & Oregon **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 14, 2008, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273 "2008-05-14T13:11:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/21 "2008-05-14T20:54:11Z")
Yikes! :eek: Not quite indeed! šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/22 "2008-05-14T20:54:42Z")
Didnā€™t want to start a new thread, so Iā€™ll just add it here. [http://thepage.time.com/](http://thepage.time.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/23 "2008-05-14T21:23:58Z")
[QUOTE=Lamar Mundane] Didnā€™t want to start a new thread, so Iā€™ll just add it here. [http://thepage.time.com/](http://thepage.time.com/) [/QUOTE] CNN is reporting it too. Right next to a quote from Hillary today to CNN: > [@](#): > > Clinton said it would be a ā€œterrible mistakeā€ for her supporters to vote for John McCain over Barack Obama. "Iā€™m going to work my heart out for whoever our nominee is ā€“ :)šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Jurph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/50afbb/32.png) [@Jurph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jurph)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/24 "2008-05-14T21:46:28Z")
[QUOTE=Biggirl] Any folks on the ground in KY and OR? Iā€™d love to hear what types of ads are being run by the candidates. Especially if Hil is being nice/nasty or if Obama is campaigning against her or McCain. [/QUOTE] Check out [this great pamphlet](http://race42008.com/2008/05/12/barack-obamas-pitch-in-kentucky/) for Obamaā€™s Kentucky campaign. Note that the candidate is standing in front of a glowing golden cross, inside an obviously-Protestant church. Boo-yah. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/25 "2008-05-14T22:24:55Z")
[QUOTE=Biggirl] Any folks on the ground in KY and OR? [/QUOTE] Any folks hovering in the air over KY and OR? Let me know your secret. šŸ†’ ETA: Sorry, **Biggirl** , I think Iā€™ve finally heard that usage of ā€œon the groundā€ one time too many. Along with ā€œat the end of the day,ā€ which, thankfully, you didnā€™t use. ---
**Author:** ![tds1273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tds1273](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tds1273)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/26 "2008-05-14T23:03:21Z")
[QUOTE=Jurph] Check out [this great pamphlet](http://race42008.com/2008/05/12/barack-obamas-pitch-in-kentucky/) for Obamaā€™s Kentucky campaign. Note that the candidate is standing in front of a glowing golden cross, inside an obviously-Protestant church. Boo-yah. [/QUOTE] Hmm, Iā€™m not sure how I should feel about that. I guess it might put to rest any remaining ā€œsecret Muslimā€ fears that are hanging around KY, but it is still well in to that uncomfortable area that Huckabeeā€™s book shelf Christmas ad put me. I say that as a huge Obama supporter too. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/27 "2008-05-14T23:17:11Z")
[QUOTE=Jurph] Check out [this great pamphlet](http://race42008.com/2008/05/12/barack-obamas-pitch-in-kentucky/) for Obamaā€™s Kentucky campaign. Note that the candidate is standing in front of a glowing golden cross, inside an obviously-Protestant church. Boo-yah. [/QUOTE] It certainly got that McCain supporterā€™s attention. Thatā€™s whatā€™s good about Obamaā€™s grassroots movement. Theyā€™re there, on the ground and, at the end of the day, theyā€™re thinking outside the box. Itā€™s a new paradigm! ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/28 "2008-05-15T00:58:10Z")
[QUOTE=Biggirl] It certainly got that McCain supporterā€™s attention. Thatā€™s whatā€™s good about Obamaā€™s grassroots movement. Theyā€™re there, on the ground and, at the end of the day, theyā€™re thinking outside the box. Itā€™s a new paradigm! [/QUOTE] Exactly, this is a paradigm shift happening throughout the country - itā€™s awesome to watch and know you are taking part in history. ---
**Author:** ![FilmGeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@FilmGeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FilmGeek)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/29 "2008-05-15T01:07:37Z")
I voted Obama. So did most people I know that are democrats. I see WAY more Obama stuff than Hilary stuff around town. I like his ads, just him talking to the camera or excerpts from speeches. Hilary keeps saying "if heā€™d just debate me againā€¦ " Go screw Hilary. You lost. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/30 "2008-05-15T01:48:43Z")
**Phl**? I think you have been whooshed. ā€œA new paradigmā€? ā€œOn the groundā€? ā€œThinking outside the boxā€? I hope that **Biggirl** hasnā€™t turned into Dilbertā€™s pointy headed boss! Heā€™s good. I expect heā€™ll be a great President. But he is just a politician and pandering with religious imagery is no paradigm shift or thinking outside the box. It is Politicking 101. Cā€™mon. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/31 "2008-05-15T02:29:55Z")
[QUOTE=DSeid] **Phl**? I think you have been whooshed. ā€œA new paradigmā€? ā€œOn the groundā€? ā€œThinking outside the boxā€? I hope that **Biggirl** hasnā€™t turned into Dilbertā€™s pointy headed boss! Heā€™s good. I expect heā€™ll be a great President. But he is just a politician and pandering with religious imagery is no paradigm shift or thinking outside the box. It is Politicking 101. Cā€™mon. [/QUOTE] I understand what Biggirl was talking about, but I was talking about something completely different. I was talking about an actual paradigm shift, in the grassroots movement across Americaā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/32 "2008-05-15T03:42:03Z")
> [@](#): > > Any folks on the ground in KY and OR? Iā€™d love to hear what types of ads are being run by the candidates. Especially if Hil is being nice/nasty or if Obama is campaigning against her or McCain. Here in KY Iā€™ve seen two ads for Obama and one for Hillary. One features coal workers from southern Illinois talking about how good Obama has been for them. The other one is pretty general and biographical, with pictures of him with his white grandparents and emphasizing his ā€œChristian faithā€. When I saw the latter one, I said, ā€œI hate that they had to make that commercial, but they did.ā€ The Hillary ad Iā€™ve seen talked about the Bush economic legacy and what sheā€™s going to do to repair the damage. Nothing earth-shattering. I donā€™t expect much of a flood of ads. Hillary is going to win KY by at least twenty pointsā€“probably not quite as much as she did in WV, but on that order. And Obama is still going to be the nominee. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/33 "2008-05-15T04:03:51Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] I understand what Biggirl was talking about, but I was talking about something completely different. I was talking about an actual paradigm shift, in the grassroots movement across Americaā€¦ [/QUOTE] If you say so **Phl**. Mind you I see the potential for real change, for a real break with the forever campaign mode and full throttle partisanship. Obama holds the promise of being one of the great presidents. He _has_ engaged elements of the electorate that have been previously unengaged. His campaign has formed some surprising alliances of support. Still it is possible to overstate and overused buzzwords are the shortcut to that destination. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/34 "2008-05-15T04:06:16Z")
[QUOTE=Biggirl] Any folks on the ground in KY and OR? Iā€™d love to hear what types of ads are being run by the candidates. [/QUOTE] Iā€™m going down to Louisville this weekend for the NRA convention. Wonder if either one of them will show up to campaign. šŸ˜› Either way maybe Iā€™ll get to see what kind of ads are being run on the local boob tube. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/35 "2008-05-15T04:37:37Z")
**pk** I will be surprised if you do not see at least one, if not both of them make a show there. Obama does not hope for an NRA endorsement but he does hope to keep them from coming out for McCain in a meaningful way. He would love to reassure them that gun control is not in his sights. The NRA did just somewhat [embrace](http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/having_followed_the_national_r.php) McCain, but it is less than an bear hug. > [@](#): > > ā€¦itā€™s more of that scrunched fingered-chest-butted out hug that you reserve for a cooky, spooky aunt or uncleā€¦ Today, NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre told the AP, "ā€œWeā€™ve had our disagreements, everybody knows it. I guess weā€™ll just have to agree to disagree on those. Weā€™re not foolish enough to ignore the vast areas of agreement in which John McCain has been a friend to gun owners.ā€ ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/36 "2008-05-15T04:50:20Z")
[QUOTE=DSeid] **pk** He would love to reassure them that gun control is not in his sights. [/QUOTE] Heā€™s lying. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/37 "2008-05-15T10:49:10Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] Exactly, this is a paradigm shift happening throughout the country - itā€™s awesome to watch and know you are taking part in history. [/QUOTE] This may be true but I was just messing with **RT** with that post. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/38 "2008-05-15T12:25:23Z")
[More on 2 Kentucky radio ads](http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080515/NEWS0106/805150422/1071) (though no adio). ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/39 "2008-05-15T12:42:50Z")
[QUOTE=DSeid] If you say so **Phl**. Mind you I see the potential for real change, for a real break with the forever campaign mode and full throttle partisanship. Obama holds the promise of being one of the great presidents. He _has_ engaged elements of the electorate that have been previously unengaged. His campaign has formed some surprising alliances of support. Still it is possible to overstate and overused buzzwords are the shortcut to that destination. [/QUOTE] I suppose I should say that I see I was whooshed when I read the **ENTIRE** thread. Better read more **Phl** than just the highlights of a thread. šŸ˜ƒ Thanks for clarifying DS and Biggirl. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273/40 "2008-05-15T13:15:35Z")
[QUOTE=pkbites] Heā€™s lying. [/QUOTE] And you know that how? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-up-kentucky-oregon/449273.md?page=3)