# Next US government faces the world's opinion on the USA **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 30, 2003, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651 "2003-08-30T16:32:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/1 "2003-08-30T16:32:36Z")
Seen the fact that the current US president and government managed to convince about the entire world 1. that the US can never be trusted for one single second 2. that the US is governed by spoiled children who make “freedom fries” a slogan when an ally doesn’t want to kiss their feet (not to mention all the rest of the childish insults towards allies and the incredible indecent behaviour in order to get countries support their murder plans) 3. that the USA thinks it has the right to act against and in violation with international law, although these treaties were signed by US governments (see point one, to which this is an addition) 4. of its competence to mass murder people of a sovereign nation, while proudly boasting about “You ain’t seen nothign yet” and “Shock and Awe” (and I don’t even speak here about Aghanistan and other US adventures) 5. that destruction and bloodshed is all the USA knows about, because when it comes to reconstruct and repari what they invaded and destroyedn the USA stands nowhere 6. that lying and cheating and empty rethoric is all the USA is in fact extremely good at, except for the murder and bloodshed 7. that the USA isn’t worth one single grain of a sign of respect let be credibility attributed to its government, and to the nation in general I have 2 questions: 1. Do you have any idea how a next president and government of the USA will be able to resolve this? 2. Do you have any idea how this will end if the US’ers are crazy enough to re-elect this same president and crew? Non US comments are also welcomed of course. It is always interesting to see and hear different voices. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/2 "2003-08-30T16:36:39Z")
Clearly, the only answer is to destroy the rest of the world. It’s logical. It must be done. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/3 "2003-08-30T16:56:24Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Aldebaran_ > Seen the fact that the current US president and government managed to convince about the **entire** world Wow Aldebaran! Gotta hand it to you, that’s some OP! :eek: Seen as I don’t agree, and I’m still part of the world. The above statement is factual wrong – I expect you will retract it post haste. ;j - Rune ---
**Author:** ![bizzwire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/958977/32.png) [@bizzwire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bizzwire)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/4 "2003-08-30T17:15:17Z")
(tapping on screen)…Reeder?..is that you? Hmmm…a rant in debate’s clothing… Hopefully, unlike yourself, most people will be able to distinguish the difference between a particular administration, and the populace which was stupid enough to elect him. Once. How are your sweeping generalizations any different from those nitwits who condemn all Muslims as terrorists? ---
**Author:** ![Eolbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@Eolbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eolbo)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/5 "2003-08-30T17:44:12Z")
However the OP is cloaked, at core his fundamental question isn’t a bad one. Stripped of the rhetoric it boils down to how will a future government deal with the global resentment/hatred of the US that George Bush has created? It’s a nasty legacy he will leave to his successor. ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/6 "2003-08-30T17:50:54Z")
Little detail in my OP QUOTE: Seen the fact that the current US president and government managed to convince about the entire world… END QUOTE. “entire world” meaning to give impression of how large amounts of the non US’ers, interested in what happens in the world, perceives the USA and its current president, government, policy In my opinion every normal reasoning person should be able to distinct this intention from this particular sentence. Maybe people should actually try to read what is posted instead of making suggestions about things that aren’t posted at all? Thank you. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/7 "2003-08-30T17:53:14Z")
Eolbo, There is nothing “cloaked” to be found in my entire OP. By God… You people are coming close to show signs of deep seeded paranoia… Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/8 "2003-08-30T18:01:37Z")
I guess the rest of the world will continue to trade with us so long as it is financially beneficial to do so. They will continue to be our “allies” when they think it is in their best interest and quitely fade into the background when it is not. Citizens from all over the world will continue to visit the US and work and go to school here and vice versus. The Islamic world will continue to hate us just as they always have, which sucks for us since we have to buy oil from them. ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/9 "2003-08-30T18:05:19Z")
The questions are: 1. Do you have any idea how a next president and government of the USA will be able to resolve this? 2. Do you have any idea how this will end if the US’ers are crazy enough to re-elect this same president and crew? I think you answered the second one. But what is you opinion on the first one? Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Eolbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@Eolbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eolbo)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/10 "2003-08-30T18:24:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aldebaran \* > \*\*Eolbo, > > There is nothing “cloaked” to be found in my entire OP. > > By God… You people are coming close to show signs of deep seeded paranoia… > > Salaam. A \*\* Aldebaran, If you are not a native speaker of a language, many of its nuances and subtleties will escape you. When I wrote “However the OP is cloaked…” it means “However the OP is written…” That and nothing more. Cloaked in this instance doesn’t mean “disguised” if that’s what you are thinking. Also paranoia is not deep seeded, its deep seated 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/11 "2003-08-30T18:41:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eolbo \* > \*\*Also paranoia is not deep seeded, its deep seated \*\* And remember: just because you’re paranoid, it doesn’t mean there _isn’t_ someone following you around. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/12 "2003-08-30T18:46:34Z")
Well, there is a small upside to this: the election. If God shall cease to avert his eyes, and we can overcome to _huge_ money advantage the Pubbies have, we can chuck the bugger out. And then change the policies the world finds so odious. Behold, we then say, we changed our minds, then changed our government. Its called “elections” and its really, really cool. Try it, you’ll love it. ---
**Author:** ![Eolbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@Eolbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eolbo)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/13 "2003-08-30T18:49:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Early Out \* > \*\*And remember: just because you’re paranoid, it doesn’t mean there _isn’t_ someone following you around. 😉 \*\* So it was you then! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/14 "2003-08-30T19:09:55Z")
Eolbo Yes, I thought you meant “disguised”, going further on the former posts. Appreciate the corrections. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/15 "2003-08-30T19:16:38Z")
Elucidator, If I want I participate in more voting business then you do, having two countries where my vote is a legal instrument to use during elections. By the way: Do you have someone in mind who could eventually replace The Bush and start cleaning up? Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/16 "2003-08-30T19:26:39Z")
ABL (Anybody But Lieberman) ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/17 "2003-08-30T19:46:24Z")
> [@](#): > > that destruction and bloodshed is all the USA knows about, because when it comes to reconstruct and repari what they invaded and destroyedn the USA stands nowhere Our reconstruction efforts worked pretty damned well for Germany and Japan. But it took us time. Years, not weeks. You can’t go from tyrannical government to democracy overnight. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/18 "2003-08-30T20:05:20Z")
Blaron-- yeah, but we had a reason to be in Japan and Germany in the first place. And the rest of the world supported us being there. And most americans supported it. And the Japanese Emperor voluntarily stepped aside. Please don’t compare this to WWII. It is really so different. ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/19 "2003-08-30T20:09:06Z")
Well I can’t help it, but I wonder why Americans tend to tear WWII into a discussion about the criminal invasion of the USA of a sovereign nation. Because when we start comparing with WWII… What exactly was Hitler doing to sovereign nations? You are on very thin ice if you start twisting things like that. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![syncrolecyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@syncrolecyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/syncrolecyne)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651/20 "2003-08-30T20:22:35Z")
As far as I am concerned, the Afghanistan ‘adventure’ was very different from the Iraq invasion. Most sensible people in the ‘rest of the world’ seemed to support what we did in Afghanistan, in spite of their deep reservations about Bush. That is how we have everyone from Germans to Turks providing key support there. If anything, the attitude was that it took America to long (until its own population suffered) to acknowledge that the Taliban was a problem. I am only embarassed that our government seems not to be doing much to prevent Afghanistan from slipping back into chaos. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-us-government-faces-the-worlds-opinion-on-the-usa/198651.md?page=2)