Next week is Drum Solo Week on Letterman!

So what we have so far

still gonna need:

Zoltan Csörsz
Nick D’Virgilio
Matt Abts
Yonrico Scott
Jimmy Keegan
(the late, great) Richie Hayward
Phil Ehart
Michael Schrieve
Tommy Aldridge
Ginger Baker
Vinnie and Carmine Appice
Dennis Chambers
Lenny White
Tony Williams
Billy Cobham
Jack DeJohnette
Russ Kunkel
Jim Keltner
Elvin Jones
Buddy Miles
Rod Morgenstein
Alphonse Mouzon
Prarie Prince
Chester Thompson
Steve Smith
Cozy Powell
Ian Paice
Airto Moreira
Dave Mattacks
Harvey Mason
Peter Erskine
Stanton Moore
Jaime Salazar
Alan White
Gregg Bissonette
Danny Carey
Jason Bonham
Brian “Brain” Mantia
Jon Fishman
Tim “Herb” Alexander
Roger Hawkins
Walfredo Reyes
Walfredo Reyes, Jr.
Michael Travis

Should probably add that DrummerWorld.com could be a vital resource for this discussion. Bios and clips (both audio and video) and more.

Agreed.

Would you like to write the thread up, or should I? Personally, I find your other polls to be quite admirably meticulous, your posts erudite, and your verbiage a breath of fresh air. So obviously, I think you’re the individual who’d most do such a poll (or polls) justice.

DfrntBreign - Exceptional list (I’m especially appalled that I, myself, left off the mighty Ian Paice!).

I also thought of another: Kenny Aronoff. (Yes? No?)

Flattery works! :smiley:

Seriously, though, I will do the poll-posting once we make some decisions about how many sub-polls make sense. My only caution at this stage is that I tend to go overboard with a topic. Those “THE WIRE” things that Bob Ducca and I flooded the board with last year were not as well-received as I would have hoped. :slight_smile:

And my latest foray into Stand-up Comedy and “Funny Women” has drawn some comments that make me a little gunshy.

Nevertheless, with some fair to middling participation in this early phase, I can release that trepidation!

Hat off to DfrntBreign for a bodacious summary!

Oh, you’re entirely too kind! But really, I’d be much better suited sitting over there in the peanut gallery slingi…Oh. You weren’t talking to me? Oh how embarrassing. Sorry, Carry on. :smiley:

On preview: Absolutely Kenny Aronof! There are probably quite a few of the “solid” players missed…Simon Kirke for one. Charlie Watts. I’m sure there are more.

That’s why the early phase is so critical to a good poll, I believe. There’s not much as embarrassing as putting up a list of 50 names and have the Other flooded with “you forgot X” (X being the right hand of God).

Another ingredient to getting a solid poll or polls would be to have the Dopers who profess to skills and interests in the world of Drums and Drumming to have a say in the process of building them. Perhaps a list of those folks and an invite to them to participate in the discussion might be worth the effort.

Isn’t Quasimodem an avowed drummer? Who all else?

That’s why I never try to start one. I’d love to stick around and share in this discussion but I hear thunder coming this way, so need to get this machine offline for a bit. You might look at how they separate the different styles on the Modern Drummer Website. Link Here. Not necessarily the best way to do a poll, but might give some ideas. Have fun, and I’ll be back when I can.

I kneel humbly in awe before you both. :cool:

That said, and speaking towards the genre sub-polls, what of session drummers (Steve Gadd, Omar Hakim, Dave Weckl, to name but a very, very few), who adeptly (some might even say masterfully) dabble in both the jazz and rock (and pop and country) genres? How do we categorize them?

Good question. I see nothing wrong with either a separate poll for Session Drummers that would allow them to be mentioned there as competitors for that class as well as being included in whatever other sub-poll(s) where they are felt to be significant participants. Gadd (for instance) might easily fit in at least Jazz, Rock and Session. Others, too.

The sub-polls could have standing on their own merit, and the Top X-number could go into a Master Drummer Poll after the results were in from the prelims. The drawback to this approach would be like those “THE WIRE” things!

Tito Puenteanyone?

Adding to a category, though it’s something of a shame to lump everyone into ‘world’ (but this would explode the number of categories).

From Africa, you have:
Babatunde Olatunji (arguably brought the djembe to the ears of the west)
Mamady Keita (arguably brought the djembe to the hands of the west; he set up an institution to teach. Thanks Mamady!)
[Tony Allen](Tony Allen (musician) - Wikipedia http://www.mamadykeita.com/) (drummer for Fela)

Righteous link! One idea might be to use their comprehensive list(s) and pick out our personal Top 20 (or some other number) to help narrow down the field for our own SDMB Drummer poll(s).

For instance, here’s their:

I’d have to modify that a little because I’m not familiar with all of them, but it would be a good starting point.

Good ideas.

Check out Billy Taylor Trio featuring Candido - Mambo Inn

also (if you can find a good clip) Sabu.

Let’s not forget Art Blakey!

Just wanted to chime in with two quick things:

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[li]Rhythmdvl, those suggestions, and links, are top notch![/li][li]Doggone it, every week needs to be Drum Solo Week on Letterman![/li][/ol]

In case you’re not familiar with Blast!:

Blast! Drumline Battery Battle

Where would the Kodo Drummers of Japanfit? Drumline or World? Given the strength, stamina and precision of their … thing, it seems a bit unfair to match them in the drumline category. Not to take anything away from anyone–but they take things to a somewhat different level.

I’m so glad you found a working link to them! I went looking through an old thread

Best Beats in Music – with audio
03-14-2009, 10:10 AM through 04-01-2009, 08:10 AM
for links to good drumming that still work. Here are some worth a listen/look:

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Stomp- Stomp Out Loud

Omar Hakim on Roland V-Drum

Joe Morello - Magnificent Drum Solo


Ed Shaughnessy Drum Solo (Tribute to Buddy Rich)

Gene Krupa- Sing, Sing, Sing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRAVnSo2twM
Rare Steve Gadd!! 2 good clips!!

Sadly my Kodo link there is dead, so yours is gratefully acknowledged.

(I can’t really recommend that old thread but it does have some discussion of the “groove” versus “beat” distinction as well as a few live links to other clips of potential interest. Proceed at your own risk! :slight_smile: )

I hope we’re not in too big a hurry to get this started. :slight_smile: The longer I think about it, the more (problems?) I come up with.

I think it might be better to define the sub-categories along lines other than genre. There isn’t an easy (or fair) comparison between someone like John Bonham and Ringo Starr if they are both classified as simply “Rock”, but if we start trying to sub-divide “Rock” we’ll end up with 544654345 different distinctions. One possibility would be to divide along “Style” lines. There would have to be some degree of overlap, but that’s okay.

Some possibilities (and feel free to discard, revamp, rename, criticize or whatever) could be:

Technicians - drummers who play very tight and controlled, but with complexity. Most jazz, fusion and progressive players would fit here. Think Neil Peart, Omar Hakim, Buddy Rich, Mike Portnoy, and etc.

Time-keepers - like the name implies, drummers who play simple (but elegant) lines. This is not an easy thing to do well, but most of the people who do it right tend to get overlooked. Charlie Watts, Kenny Aranoff and Simon Kirke are perfect examples of what I mean. Rock solid timekeepers without being simple metronomes.

Wild men - these are the “monsters” of drumming. They play hard and they play loud!!! Bonham, Moon, Tommy Aldridge, Tommy Lee, Carmine Appice and even Billy Cobham all fit this category.

Stylists - people with a distinct style (Vague I know). I’m going for people like Bernard Purdie, Styx Hooper, Jim Keltner or Buddy Miles. That big fat backbeat thing, if you know what I mean (this category needs a better name).

Percussionists - this is kinda the catch-all for the drummers who don’t play actual drum kits. Tito Puente and Airto, Ray Cooper and Ruth Underwood. This would give at least one category for the so-called “world” percussionists. (Would Roy “Future Man” Wooten go here?) We’d have to decide whether to include the drum line and koto drummers in this category or have another separate category (or several).

I’m sure I’ve overlooked …well, a lot, probably. But it doesn’t seem practical to compare based on genre alone. I think a poll based on that would say more about what kind of music people like than which drummer.

So those are just some thoughts about organizing this mess. :wink: Not a lot of help about choosing who to include, I know, but whadda ya gonna do?

I know he doesn’t have a huge reputation, but I’d like to submit Zak Starkey for consideration. After all, he’s got the genes…and a famous mentor to boot!

Excellent points, DfrntBreign, especially

I’m all in favor of some serious discussion and exchange of ideas before we dive into that massive pool of names at DrummerWorld! We need some clever ways to narrow that crowd down to 100 or fewer before making any serious cuts for sub-polls and such.

And we ought to be able to arrange it so that choices are based on more than “Oh, yeah! I’ve heard of him/her.”