# Next Wheel of Time book **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 1, 2005, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365 "2005-06-01T14:15:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/61 "2005-06-02T20:23:08Z")
Wait! I remembered the important thing: In the prologue for … aw, hell. I think it’s _Path of Daggers_–the one where she’s messing with the sisters captured at Dumai’s Wells in the Aiel camp–Verin’s POV indicates that she’s rationalizing everything she says in her head in a way that makes it clear she _is_ still bound not to lie. And she never said that Moiraine sent her after Ingtar. She just said Moiraine sent her. For all we know, Moiraine sent her for a pizza. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/62 "2005-06-02T21:15:43Z")
I’ve never read a single word of this series, but I faithfully read all of the Dope threads about it, because all you self-flagellating fans are so doggone entertaining when you rant about it. > [@slortar](#): > > I can’t believe how many hours of my life I’ve wasted with this series when I could have been doing something more productive with my time like hammering my nuts flat with a rock. Stuff like that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/63 "2005-06-02T22:39:45Z")
> [@Stonebow](#): > > Hey Draelin! _waves_ > > I am always a just a step away from giving up on the whole thing, but then I’ll remember: > > … > Battle for Cairhien/Caemlyn > … > > Say what you will about Jordan, he knows how to end a book. Now if he can only learn _when_ to end it. The Battle for Cairhien is when the suckness of this seires first hit me in the face. I was enjoying it up until that point, even if I thought the quality had gone down somewhat. But when Jordan decided to skip the last part of the battle and tell the rest through flashbacks while everyone partied at the victory feast, it really pissed me off. Even so, it took me 3 more books to quit. Actually, I think what happened is that my wife unearthed the first book from an old box, we both read it, then we ran out and bought everything up to Path of Daggers, which was the last one at that time. If I didn’t have those later books lying around, I might have stopped sooner. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/64 "2005-06-03T07:23:09Z")
well confirmation on the Oct 11 release date, but see how much the [cover](http://www.wotmania.com/images/kod_us_hc_med.jpg) sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/65 "2005-06-03T09:04:48Z")
> [@One And Only Wanderers](#): > > well confirmation on the Oct 11 release date, but see how much the [cover](http://www.wotmania.com/images/kod_us_hc_med.jpg) sucks. Newsflash! They all suck. Marc ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/66 "2005-06-03T09:06:27Z")
the first 3 weren’t so bad, but yeah I have to agree, this series has some sucky covers in general. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/67 "2005-06-03T13:14:50Z")
> [@One And Only Wanderers](#): > > well confirmation on the Oct 11 release date, but see how much the [cover](http://www.wotmania.com/images/kod_us_hc_med.jpg) sucks. Auugghh!! Who are those people even supposed to _be_? I hate that. _sigh_ ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/68 "2005-06-03T13:19:43Z")
pretty sure that’s supposed to be Perrin and Berelain. Dunno who the random Aiel looking guy is, especially as he appears to have spears ANd a sword. That military guy could be Queen what’s her face’s(captured with Faile) guard commander. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/69 "2005-06-03T13:22:00Z")
You’re right–that’s probably the head of either Berelain or Alliandre’s guard standing with Perrin. The only male Aiel in that storyline is Gaul, IIRC, and he wouldn’t have a sword. Stupid cover artist. _grr_ ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/70 "2005-06-03T14:14:05Z")
> [@One And Only Wanderers](#): > > the first 3 weren’t so bad, but yeah I have to agree, this series has some sucky covers in general. I think we can come to an agreement that some do suck more then others. I think the cover of the first book is the best. Marc ---
**Author:** ![Stonebow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Stonebow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stonebow)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/71 "2005-06-03T15:05:04Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > You’re right–that’s probably the head of either Berelain or Alliandre’s guard standing with Perrin. The only male Aiel in that storyline is Gaul, IIRC, and he wouldn’t have a sword. Stupid cover artist. _grr_ Is it me, or do they look like munchkins? And that Aiel has something of a gut on him… _sigh_ The Eye of the World (and maybe the Dragon Reborn) was the only one with decent cover art. And don’t get me started on the Illustrated Encyclopedia. btw - could the Aiel on the cover be Aram the Tinker? Maybe he’s ‘gone Aiel’, but he’s still a blademaster. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/72 "2005-06-03T15:07:08Z")
You guys are tough. I manage to slog most of the way through book 5. I just didn’t want any more. And I keep wanting the heroes to just effing cut the bad guy’s heads off and be done with it! I swear, it’s like the Black Company all over again. How many books has that thing gone onto? ---
**Author:** ![FaerieBeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e95f7d/32.png) [@FaerieBeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FaerieBeth)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/73 "2005-06-03T16:08:57Z")
> [@Stonebow](#): > > Is it me, or do they look like munchkins? And that Aiel has something of a gut on him… My god that’s some bad cover art. Obviously, since messing with the weather didn’t work, the Dark One is now tinkering with atmospheric pressure and relative gravity. Help, Rand! The weight of the air is making us all squaty and ill-tempered! ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/74 "2005-06-03T16:11:00Z")
> [@FaerieBeth](#): > > Help, Rand! The weight of the air is making us all squaty and ill-tempered! _snort_ Yeah, Rand is the one to go to about somebody being ill-tempered. Him, then Nynaeve. 🙂 And my mind has decided to think that Gaul has a really big knife, not a sword. But my mind also thinks that rereading the whole series by October is a good idea. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/75 "2005-06-03T16:13:20Z")
> [@FaerieBeth](#): > > My god that’s some bad cover art. As I said above, I haven’t read a single word of this series, but based on everyone’s kvetching, I wonder if it’s significant that the cover art shows a group of people _standing around talking_ instead of, y’know, _doing_ something. ---
**Author:** ![FaerieBeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e95f7d/32.png) [@FaerieBeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FaerieBeth)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/76 "2005-06-03T16:21:39Z")
And since we are all talking about the reasons we keep reading (or not), I’ll have to agree that Jordan can write one hell of a climax. There are little scenes, too, that I like to remember. I always reread those parts, and think to myself, "Wasn’t it cool, when: \*Moiraine explains to Nynaeve that she, too, is a filthy dark-friend channeller \*Algemar (?) relating the story of Lan (the uncrowned King of Malkier) \*Nynaeve, in desperation, visualized the a’dam and captured Moghidean \*Mat and Birgitte are sitting in the bar, talking in the old tongue \*Elayne picked out the weave of the gateway and blew up a whole hillside \*When the “rebel” Aes Sedai realize that their Amyrlin Eqwene has just taken over and out-smarted them (Aes Sedai, for a bunch of supposedly strong, powerful women, vomit a lot when they’re surprised) There’s always a nugget or two of gold in all the dross of split skirts and hair coloring. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/77 "2005-06-03T16:28:17Z")
> [@FaerieBeth](#): > > \*When the “rebel” Aes Sedai realize that their Amyrlin Eqwene has just taken over and out-smarted them (Aes Sedai, for a bunch of supposedly strong, powerful women, vomit a lot when they’re surprised) Oh, man…he had me anticipating that confrontation for a book and a half! Just when all the details fade into grumbling about length of time between books and the fluff that seems to fill them, someone reminds me why I love this series… > [@](#): > > There’s always a nugget or two of gold in all the dross of split skirts and hair coloring. 😉 That’s what makes us tear our hair out (or just tug at our braids) over the whole thing… ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/78 "2005-06-03T16:29:40Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > But my mind also thinks that rereading the whole series by October is a good idea. Do yourself a favor…go to your local library and get the unabridged books on tape instead. Save yourself the pain of re-reading it. 🙂 -XT ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/79 "2005-06-03T16:31:39Z")
> [@FaerieBeth](#): > > (Aes Sedai, for a bunch of supposedly strong, powerful women, vomit a lot when they’re surprised) I never thought about that before. But you’re right! I, for one, have never vomited because I was surprised. I have, however, been surprised because I vomited, but never mind that now. A couple other scenes that make you remember why you read in the first place: –Nynaeve breaking her block. –Logain’s Healing. –The First-Sister ceremony. –The kidnapping of the Daughter of the Nine Moons. And my personal favorite: Mat _trouncing_ the Princes of Andor with a quarterstaff. Good stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Orual](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orual](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orual)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365/80 "2005-06-03T20:11:48Z")
Ye gods these books are bad crack. I told myself I wouldn’t read them. I love fantasy, but I like my series’ (serieses?) finished (and preferably with the seperate volumes being _shorter_ than _War & Peace_). But there came a day when there was nothing left in the house for me to read. Now I can’t stop. There are just enough cool things to balance out the really annoying ones. It’s the awesome end-of-book battles. I love big battle scenes, and he does write them well.(I just finished the battle at Cairhien. Mat was so cool, and I _ **HATE** _ Mat.) So, people who’ve read the whole thing, give me some hope. Tell me Nynaeve goes spontaneously bald at some point. Tell me Tar Valon explodes. Tell me Galad just DIES. Tell me Mr. Jordan introduces a female charcter who isn’t some variety of manipulative shrew-harpy. I know that Moiraine dies/disappears. That’s a start. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/next-wheel-of-time-book/306365.md?page=5)