# NFC East 2009 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 1, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522 "2009-09-01T19:05:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/221 "2009-12-08T01:37:08Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > I never knew Flozell Adams was such a piece of shit. The tripping thing, ok, you shouldn’t do that but it happens, and I don’t think it’s any more wrong just because Tuck happened to get injured on the play. > > His blatant cheap shot in the back yesterday, however. . . I was just thinking how I always associate dirtbaggery with the Eagles, so it’s weird to see the Cowboys taking on that role. I don’t agree with you about the tripping, though. I mean yeah, the first time against Tuck was a bummer about the injury but not in itself a major deal. It’s the fact that he blatantly did it _again_, later in that very same game against Osi – even though the tactic had already injured someone – that elevated it to dirtbag status. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/222 "2009-12-08T01:41:52Z")
Looks like for the rest of the season, the mjor story in the NFL will involve the NFC East. The East has the biggest divisional battle by a mile, and even ignoring that, if you look the schedule for most of the powerhouses in the league, their big games are against the NFC East. Can’t wait to see Omni lose his mind when the SNF games for the rest of the season justifiably include NFC East teams. ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/223 "2009-12-08T08:38:18Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > I suppose it’s about time I just come out and admit it: It scares me to death how fricking good DeSean Jackson is. Yeah. It’s funny, but I didn’t like the pick at all when the Eagles made it. I hate rooting for the guy too, he seems like an ass. Seems to be the new Steve Smith (Car). You should go hide under your bed now because Jeremy Maclin is having a better rookie season than DeSean Jackson had. I have a feeling the next three seasons are going to be a lot of fun. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/224 "2009-12-08T11:19:06Z")
On Monday morning’s SportsDesk they showed some oldtimers being introduced as honorary captains on the field before the game. As Tiki Barber was introduced, the crowd booed. It was not a small or halfhearted boo, either. heh. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/225 "2009-12-09T14:59:48Z")
> [@Jules\_Andre](#): > > You should go hide under your bed now because Jeremy Maclin is having a better rookie season than DeSean Jackson had. I have a feeling the next three seasons are going to be a lot of fun. Yeah, the two of them make for a damn dangerous combo – going to be tricky for the Giants to get back-to-back divisional wins this week. Now, on to other matters: Fuck you, Roger Goodell. Let’s take a trip down memory lane, shall we? In Week 2, Flozell Adams intentionally tripped Justin Tuck, giving Tuck a partially torn labrum. For this, Adams received 15-yard penalty and $7,500 fine. Later that same game, Adams trips Osi Umenyiora, landing another 15-yard penalty and $7,500 fine. The following week, Adams pulls the same shit with a trip against Julius Peppers. Another 15-yard penalty, and another $7,500 fine. But even though was being a wuss by not levying heavier fines as Adams kept committing the same infraction, Goodell let Adams know the this bullshit had to stop. Adams was warned that if he had any further transgressions he would be “heavily fined and suspended.” Note the “ **and** ” there. So, last week Justin Tuck spends the first half showing Adams what a washed-up bum he is, so Adams reverts to his true bitch-form. As the teams are walking off the field, Adams gives Tuck a sucker-shot in the back and takes a swing at Osi. “Awesome,” thinks me, “This punk-ass is going to be on the sideline for the rest of the season once Goodell sees this tape”. So what’s “Iron-Fist” Goodell’s crushing punishment for this horse-shit? $30,000 fine. Fuck you, Goodell – I sincerely hope the next guy that Adams puts on IR with his cheap-ass tactics hands you your own teeth. This petulant man-child doesn’t have a single iota of business being on a football field with professionals. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/226 "2009-12-09T15:12:43Z")
> [@Jules\_Andre](#): > > You should go hide under your bed now because Jeremy Maclin is having a better rookie season than DeSean Jackson had. I have a feeling the next three seasons are going to be a lot of fun. Not quite. He’s got more touchdowns, but at his current pace he’ll finish with fewer receptions and yards, and has a lower per-catch average. He also doesn’t have Jackson’s added dimensions as a rusher and punt returner. Perhaps most importantly, DeSean Jackson didn’t have DeSean Jackson to draw coverage away from DeSean Jackson, as it were. This isn’t to say that Maclin isn’t going to be a very good pro, or that he isn’t having an excellent rookie season, because he is. I still think the Eagles should have gone for a big guy to complement Jackson instead of a clone, but he is looking like the best receiver in that draft right now. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/227 "2009-12-09T15:31:16Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > Yeah, the two of them make for a damn dangerous combo – going to be tricky for the Giants to get back-to-back divisional wins this week. > > Now, on to other matters: Fuck you, Roger Goodell. Let’s take a trip down memory lane, shall we? > > In Week 2, Flozell Adams intentionally tripped Justin Tuck, giving Tuck a partially torn labrum. For this, Adams received 15-yard penalty and $7,500 fine. > > Later that same game, Adams trips Osi Umenyiora, landing another 15-yard penalty and $7,500 fine. > > The following week, Adams pulls the same shit with a trip against Julius Peppers. Another 15-yard penalty, and another $7,500 fine. > > But even though was being a wuss by not levying heavier fines as Adams kept committing the same infraction, Goodell let Adams know the this bullshit had to stop. Adams was warned that if he had any further transgressions he would be “heavily fined and suspended.” Note the “ **and** ” there. > > So, last week Justin Tuck spends the first half showing Adams what a washed-up bum he is, so Adams reverts to his true bitch-form. As the teams are walking off the field, Adams gives Tuck a sucker-shot in the back and takes a swing at Osi. > > “Awesome,” thinks me, “This punk-ass is going to be on the sideline for the rest of the season once Goodell sees this tape”. So what’s “Iron-Fist” Goodell’s crushing punishment for this horse-shit? $30,000 fine. > > Fuck you, Goodell – I sincerely hope the next guy that Adams puts on IR with his cheap-ass tactics hands you your own teeth. This petulant man-child doesn’t have a single iota of business being on a football field with professionals. A-Fucking-MEN! That’s been the biggest problem I’ve had with GODell…his punishments are inconsistently applied. It’s like he uses a dartboard to select them. Or has a list of teams that need “to be taught lessons” (like my Bengals) and other teams that receive a “get out of jail free card”, like members of his beloved Steelers and big-market teams like the Cowgirls. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/228 "2009-12-09T15:44:07Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > Now, on to other matters: Fuck you, Roger Goodell. Let’s take a trip down memory lane, shall we? > > In Week 2, Flozell Adams intentionally tripped Justin Tuck, giving Tuck a partially torn labrum. For this, Adams received 15-yard penalty and $7,500 fine. > > Later that same game, Adams trips Osi Umenyiora, landing another 15-yard penalty and $7,500 fine. > > The following week, Adams pulls the same shit with a trip against Julius Peppers. Another 15-yard penalty, and another $7,500 fine. > > But even though was being a wuss by not levying heavier fines as Adams kept committing the same infraction, Goodell let Adams know the this bullshit had to stop. Adams was warned that if he had any further transgressions he would be “heavily fined and suspended.” Note the “ **and** ” there. > > So, last week Justin Tuck spends the first half showing Adams what a washed-up bum he is, so Adams reverts to his true bitch-form. As the teams are walking off the field, Adams gives Tuck a sucker-shot in the back and takes a swing at Osi. > > “Awesome,” thinks me, “This punk-ass is going to be on the sideline for the rest of the season once Goodell sees this tape”. So what’s “Iron-Fist” Goodell’s crushing punishment for this horse-shit? $30,000 fine. > > Fuck you, Goodell – I sincerely hope the next guy that Adams puts on IR with his cheap-ass tactics hands you your own teeth. This petulant man-child doesn’t have a single iota of business being on a football field with professionals. Agreed, Adams is a punk and I have no respect for Goodell at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/229 "2009-12-09T15:49:15Z")
Ochocinco also drew a $30,000 fine for the poncho/sombrero thing. Year, _that_ seems proportional. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/230 "2009-12-09T16:25:38Z")
> [@hal briston](#): > > “awesome,” thinks me, “this punk-ass is going to be on the sideline for the rest of the season once goodell sees this tape”. So what’s “iron-fist” goodell’s crushing punishment for this horse-shit? $30,000 fine. $50,000 ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/231 "2009-12-09T16:37:42Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Ochocinco also drew a $30,000 fine for the poncho/sombrero thing. Year, _that_ seems proportional. Exactly. Because as we all know, not violating the integrity of the uniform is far more important than protecting player’s careers. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/232 "2009-12-09T16:39:08Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > $50,000 Argh – you’re correct. I had Ochocinco’s fine on my mind when I typed that. ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/233 "2009-12-11T13:23:51Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Not quite. He’s got more touchdowns, but at his current pace he’ll finish with fewer receptions and yards, and has a lower per-catch average. He also doesn’t have Jackson’s added dimensions as a rusher and punt returner. Well, technically Maclin will finish with exactly the same amount of catches as Jackson had in 08 if he keeps up his current pace. The total yards will be fewer, and no, Maclin isn’t the threat as a rusher or punt returner that Jackson is. And no, Jackson didn’t have anyone opposite him like Maclin has had this season, which is a fine point. But all that aside, and for the most part you’re right, you’re still wrong on the overall picture. Maclin is having a better rookie season as a receiver. His catch percentage is significantly higher (63% to 51%, and Jackson hasn’t improved over last season much). He’s had fewer drops (2 to 5, a statistic that Jackson has actually regressed in)., And Maclin hasn’t fumbled yet, which Jackson did four times in his rookie season. Maclin has been more more consistent and polished this season than Jackson was last season. > [@](#): > > This isn’t to say that Maclin isn’t going to be a very good pro, or that he isn’t having an excellent rookie season, because he is. I still think the Eagles should have gone for a big guy to complement Jackson instead of a clone, but he is looking like the best receiver in that draft right now. I thought the same when the pick was made. It’s turning out that they complement each other extremely well on the field, even if they’re somewhat similar. Both are very fast, but Maclin is taller (6’ to 5’10", listed) and seems better at going up to get a ball than Jackson is. With both having great top speed, it’s tough for a defense to determine who is going deep on any particular play. And since Jackson is so good at catching and running, and Maclin better at pulling tough tough passes, both are a threat underneath too. It’s a really exciting pairing, and I’m happy to admit how wrong I was about both guys. I just hope it isn’t screwed up when McNabb is shipped out of town after this season and Kolb takes over. Though with Jackson, Maclin, McCoy, and now Celek, I can;t imagine Kolb could mess it up too badly. But as an Eagles fan, I know better than to hope too much. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/234 "2009-12-11T14:11:06Z")
Good to see you back. Where have you been? ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/235 "2009-12-13T17:32:44Z")
Here’s the division standings through the first three quarters: #1 AFC South **18-8** (69%) #2 NFC East **18-14** (56%) #3 NFC North **16-14** (53%) #4 NFC South **16-16** (50%) #4 AFC West **14-14** (50%) #6 AFC East **12-14** (46%) #7 AFC North **12-16** (43%) #8 NFC West **10-20** (33%) #1 AFC **26-22** (54%) #2 NFC **22-26** (46%) The third quarter was not kind to the AFC North in particular. ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2009, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/236 "2009-12-14T00:33:30Z")
Cowgirls lose. Now if only the Giants pull off a win tonight, this will make for one hell of a race to the playoffs. ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/237 "2009-12-14T01:44:12Z")
Good start! ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/238 "2009-12-14T01:49:11Z")
Anyone gonna play any defense tonight? ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2009, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/239 "2009-12-14T02:56:46Z")
The Giants would have scored 35 in the first half of this game if their receivers had even one pair of good hands among all of them. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2009, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522/240 "2009-12-14T05:14:30Z")
> [@Jules\_Andre](#): > > The Giants would have scored 35 in the first half of this game if their receivers had even one pair of good hands among all of them. Might as well toss the RB in there, too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfc-east-2009/508522.md?page=13)