# NFL 2010 Week 1 discussion. **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 9, 2010, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188 "2010-09-09T15:22:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/81 "2010-09-12T16:09:25Z")
Not to derail the thread with a quick fantasy question. Thanks to Michael Bush, Beanie Wells, and Maroney, I’m in a bind at RB in my money league. I get to choose between Fred Jackson or Fred Taylor to be my #2 RB. What do the great minds here think? ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/82 "2010-09-12T16:27:46Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Not to derail the thread with a quick fantasy question. Thanks to Michael Bush, Beanie Wells, and Maroney, I’m in a bind at RB in my money league. I get to choose between Fred Jackson or Fred Taylor to be my #2 RB. What do the great minds here think? To be charitable, neither are great choices. Is there no else on the waiver wire you could quickly add? If I had to choose between the two, I pick Fred Taylor. Why? Both are at home. Both are in RB by committee situations. Cincinnati, however, was a much poorer rush defense than Miami. Jackson is coming off a hand injury, \though I’ve read he’s fully recovered from it\. EDIT: Bzzzt! Wrong. Jackson has extra padding on the hand, is going for X-Rays Thursday, and will probably be fitted for a special cast. [Source](http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ApurgVWXvsDnkTFMhUGXXLX.uLYF?slug=teamreports-2010-nfl-buf). The Bills would be idiots to play Jackson with Lynch available. While there’s good evidence they are idiots, go with Taylor. (O.k. how do you make a strikethrough show up in a post?) NE has a much better chance than Buffalo of running to protect a lead. Further, Taylor is starting, though that historically means less than nothing with NE. Yahoo projects for Taylor: 41 yds and .3 TD. Ignore their estimate of receptions, Taylor caught all of 2 passes last year. For Jackson: 25 yds .1 TD, 2.0 recp, 15 yds. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/83 "2010-09-12T16:36:46Z")
Cincinnati was ranked 7th against the run last season, Miami 18th. Cite: [NFL 2023 Player Stats | passing Stats | NFL.com](http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go) ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/84 "2010-09-12T16:37:12Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > To be charitable, neither are great choices. You’re telling me. But with Bush, Wells and Maroney all inactive, it’s what I’ve got. > [@Gray Ghost](#): > > Is there no else on the waiver wire you could quickly add? Fred Taylor was my waiver pickup. It’s a 12 team league with 5 rb slot. > [@Gray Ghost](#): > > If I had to choose between the two, I pick Fred Taylor. That’s kinda my thinking. But I don’t like it. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/85 "2010-09-12T17:01:38Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > > [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > > > To be charitable, neither are great choices. > > You’re telling me. But with Bush, Wells and Maroney all inactive, it’s what I’ve got. Fred Taylor was my waiver pickup. It’s a 12 team league with 5 rb slot. > > > [@Gray Ghost](#): > > > > If I had to choose between the two, I pick Fred Taylor. > > That’s kinda my thinking. But I don’t like it. Patriots also throw the ball a LOT. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/86 "2010-09-12T17:24:09Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Cincinnati was ranked 7th against the run last season, Miami 18th. > > Cite: [NFL 2025 Player Stats | passing Stats | NFL.com](http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go) You are correct. I was wrong in characterizing Cincy’s 2009 rush defense. And I may be wrong in estimating their 2010 rush defense. I was using [FO’s 2009 DVOA tool](http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef) which listed Cincy’s rush defense at 0.3% (21st rush defense overall) with a weighted total defense rating of 1.3% (15th). Miami’s rush defense was at 5.0% (24th overall), with a weighted total defense rating of 3.2% (16th). Lower is better, so FO thought Cincy was more efficient against the run last year and a hair more efficient overall. However, they project Miami to be [much better defensively](http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2010/2010-dvoa-projections) this year, with the 5th rated defense overall (-7.3%). Compare to Cincinnati’s projected 16th rank this year. (2.0%). Their projections have very large holes in them, judging by last year, but I think Miami will be very improved. An overall much improved Miami, added to their slightly less effective rush defense from last year, to me suggests Miami will be better against the run this year than Cincy. But that thought is based on a shaky projection, not hard data, and consequently is much weaker evidence than I was claiming. And of course, my statement referred to things last year, and was wholly incorrect, as you noted. Still think he should’ve started Taylor, but it’s the injury to Jackson’s hand that settles it for me. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/87 "2010-09-12T17:31:52Z")
So far, Fred Taylor would have been a wise choice. Holy Shit my Bengals look like SHIT! The Pats just look…faster, more intense, more prepared. Fuck! ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/88 "2010-09-12T17:44:45Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > The Pats just look…faster, more intense, more prepared. Fuck! I can hear the calls for Bernard Scott from here. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/89 "2010-09-12T17:59:45Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > > [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > > > The Pats just look…faster, more intense, more prepared. Fuck! > > I can hear the calls for Bernard Scott from here. I’ve been calling for him to get more involved in the offense. And it has nothing to do with Benson. Its not been Benson’s fault (aside from the fumble) that the oline looks sluggish. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/90 "2010-09-12T18:02:02Z")
I am delighted to be dead wrong so far about the Texans. (Though I am still confident they can screw it up.) Though how can the Colts have punted 4 times already?! It’s funny just how much we don’t know that we don’t know about football. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/91 "2010-09-12T18:07:45Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > I am delighted to be dead wrong so far about the Texans. (Though I am still confident they can screw it up.) Though how can the Colts have punted 4 times already?! > > It’s funny just how much we don’t know that we don’t know about football. Relevant [story](http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=tmr100909), as relayed by Matthew Berry. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/92 "2010-09-12T18:58:48Z")
Poor Detroit… ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/93 "2010-09-12T19:16:57Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Poor Detroit… I hate football. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/94 "2010-09-12T19:39:24Z")
And yet they keep fighting. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/95 "2010-09-12T19:42:47Z")
Glad I didn’t pull the trigger on trading for Stafford. I am absolutely stunned at how the Texans have just run the ball down the Colts’ throat. Guess Bob Sanders is pretty key for their defense after all. They are just lining up and killing them with Arian Foster. Good times for those of you who drafted him. And I’m almost as surprised at how ordinary the Colts supporting cast is looking. A gimpy Saturday, cutting Ugoh, and more than a few drops by guys like Garcon…there’s only so much Manning can do. With the Oakland bandwagon running of the road before it even really started, I’m liking the Texans’ playoff chances a lot more than I did 24 hours ago. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/96 "2010-09-12T19:53:07Z")
I can’t decide if the Bears’ defense is really good or the Lions’ offense is really terrible. Or some combination of the two. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/97 "2010-09-12T20:00:53Z")
> [@Kyla](#): > > I can’t decide if the Bears’ defense is really good or the Lions’ offense is really terrible. Or some combination of the two. The Lions’ offense is that terrible. On that note, I’m going to get some sammitches. My football season ends now. Woo. ---
**Author:** ![Miltonyz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Miltonyz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miltonyz)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/98 "2010-09-12T20:03:34Z")
> [@](#): > > I hate football. Most common football conversation at my house. GF: Why do you watch every week if all you do is get pissed? Me: I don’t know…Stoopid Lions GF: BTW why do you get pissed off every time. They lose every week. It’s like being angry at the sun for going down. Me: I don’t know…Stoopid Miltonyz ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/99 "2010-09-12T20:07:44Z")
> [@Miltonyz](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > I hate football. > > Most common football conversation at my house. > > GF: Why do you watch every week if all you do is get pissed? > > Me: I don’t know…Stoopid Lions > > GF: BTW why do you get pissed off every time. They lose every week. It’s like being angry at the sun for going down. > > Me: I don’t know…Stoopid Miltonyz Hold up. We might be able to have some happy yet. I don’t know how the Bears can lose this game. …Wait, not inbounds? That’s sooooome bullshit. Edited to add: I hate football. If it were Randy Moss and the Patriots were getting porked, we’d see a rule change next year. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/100 "2010-09-12T20:09:04Z")
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