# NFL 2010 Week 1 discussion. **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 9, 2010, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188 "2010-09-09T15:22:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/101 "2010-09-12T20:10:33Z")
Catch? No catch? It’s a process. Second Act? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/102 "2010-09-12T20:12:06Z")
Once again: Poor Detroit. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/103 "2010-09-12T20:13:11Z")
> [@Kyla](#): > > Dude. It looks like he had possession of the ball to me. :dubious: Except he may possibly have made a second football move, which necessitates having possession of it for the original move, so he never caught it in the first place. Yeah. Makes sense to me too. ---
**Author:** ![Miltonyz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Miltonyz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miltonyz)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/104 "2010-09-12T20:14:55Z")
I assumed incorrectly since there was contact post catch and his hips were down before the ball touched down it would have been a catch and down by contact at any other point on the field. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/105 "2010-09-12T20:15:14Z")
> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > > [@Kyla](#): > > > > Dude. It looks like he had possession of the ball to me. :dubious: > > Except he may possibly have made a second football move, which necessitates having possession of it for the original move, so he never caught it in the first place. > > Yeah. Makes sense to me too. I listened to Pereria and the explanations, and I still don’t get it. I don’t think Megatron did either, because it seemed pretty clear to me he caught it, he landed, his body was down with possession, and it would be a touchdown before the rule change. Now, I just don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/106 "2010-09-12T20:17:26Z")
> [@Miltonyz](#): > > I assumed incorrectly since there was contact post catch and his hips were down before the ball touched down it would have been a catch and down by contact at any other point on the field. You fucking rookie. Of COURSE that’s not a catch. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/107 "2010-09-12T20:21:34Z")
Even my Bears fan friend I’m chatting with over Facebook thinks it was bullshit. How is it that I have 200 channels and none of them are showing the Niners game? I hate everything. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/108 "2010-09-12T20:36:56Z")
At least your game wasn’t blacked out. I can only picture my Buccaneers stomping on **SenorBeef’s** Browns in my head. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/109 "2010-09-12T20:51:36Z")
I think it is time for an Arizona Cardinals score! ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/110 "2010-09-12T20:51:57Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > At least your game wasn’t blacked out. I can only picture my Buccaneers stomping on **SenorBeef’s** Browns in my head. That used to happen (still happens?) with the Raiders all the time. HA-ha. Also, the Raiders got stomped today. HA-ha again. Anyway, I went to [espn.com](http://espn.com) to see how the Niners were doing, and saw that they had scored a touchdown and were leading 6-0. Yay! Then I went to the bathroom and when I got back, they had no touchdown, only a FG, and were leading 3-0. 😕 Anyone know what happened? ETA: Also, the game I am watching is Eagles v. Packers. I don’t know what to do, you guys. I hate the Eagles for paying that shithead Michael Vick. I hate the Packers for being the Packers. It is a conundrum. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/111 "2010-09-12T20:54:45Z")
> [@Kyla](#): > > > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > > > At least your game wasn’t blacked out. I can only picture my Buccaneers stomping on **SenorBeef’s** Browns in my head. > > That used to happen (still happens?) with the Raiders all the time. HA-ha. Also, the Raiders got stomped today. HA-ha again. > > Anyway, I went to [espn.com](http://espn.com) to see how the Niners were doing, and saw that they had scored a touchdown and were leading 6-0. Yay! Then I went to the bathroom and when I got back, they had no touchdown, only a FG, and were leading 3-0. 😕 Anyone know what happened? > > ETA: Also, the game I am watching is Eagles v. Packers. I don’t know what to do, you guys. I hate the Eagles for paying that shithead Michael Vick. I hate the Packers for being the Packers. It is a conundrum. Turn it off. Have a sammitch. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/112 "2010-09-12T21:07:40Z")
Leonard Weaver’s season is over. His knee just bent about thirty degrees in the wrong direction on his first carry of the season. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/113 "2010-09-12T21:15:35Z")
I don’t know, guys, that catch rule has been in place for years. This was an extremely bummer example of it, but for years now I would have said that that was not a catch. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/114 "2010-09-12T21:35:24Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I don’t know, guys, that catch rule has been in place for years. This was an extremely bummer example of it, but for years now I would have said that that was not a catch. What about every other place where a running back reaches out, gets the ball over the line, and loses control of the ball afterwards? Also, what about the ground not causing a fumble? Does it result in a completion in the field of play and an incompletion in the end zone? The man had possession of the ball, right? The catch was made, right? Two feet down, even hit the ground with his hip. The ball broke the plane, right? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/115 "2010-09-12T21:52:23Z")
None of those things have anything to do with why that play was called the way it was, except that no, he didn’t have possession according to the rules. Running backs stretching over the goal line aren’t catching passes. The ground didn’t cause a fumble on this play because there was no fumble on this play. And the ground can cause a fumble, in any event. ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/116 "2010-09-12T21:56:31Z")
Sam Bradford has his first NFL Touchdown on a fourth down at the end of a half to tie it up. The kid will throw a ton of picks this season, but he looks pretty darn good; crisp, accurate passes. Even his interception was really more of a bad decision than bad throw. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/117 "2010-09-12T22:11:15Z")
What **Jimmy** said. > [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > What about every other place where a running back reaches out, gets the ball over the line, and loses control of the ball afterwards? Also, what about the ground not causing a fumble? Does it result in a completion in the field of play and an incompletion in the end zone? > > The man had possession of the ball, right? The catch was made, right? Two feet down, even hit the ground with his hip. The ball broke the plane, right? Running backs stretching out already have possession, usually from a handoff. The ground can cause a fumble if he wasn’t touched by a defender, but this wasn’t a fumble. The ground caused an _incompletion_. Surely you’re not trying to mount a “ground can’t cause an incompletion” defense? Yes, the man had possession of the ball at first, including having two feet and a hip down. But that’s not what determines a completion. You must _maintain possession **through** the act of coming to the ground_, and this has been the standard for years. He didn’t hold on long enough. I know this rule really well because Shockey helped create it as a Giant. Around 5 years ago, against the Seahawks. He caught it in the end zone while in the air, one of his feet just barely grazed the top of the turf before he got hammered and the ball popped out. After a challenge, rules a TD. It was a chintzy TD, so eventually (that offseason, I think) they put in the rule that you have to maintain possession through going to the ground, meaning you basically have to stand up with the ball in your hand to have it count. I think Megatron kind of intentionally let it go, similar to what Plaxico Burress did as a rookie when he caught the ball, got up and spiked it even though he hadn’t been touched by a defender yet. Bonehead move, but since he learned it the hard way he’ll never do it again. ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/118 "2010-09-12T22:20:57Z")
The incomplete call was the right call. The rule is possession to the ground. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/119 "2010-09-12T22:35:13Z")
Nightmare scenario for Kevin Kolb today. He’s utterly ineffective in the first half and is incredibly lucky not to throw two interceptions, then he gets knocked out of the game with a concussion, and now Vick has lead Philadelphia to their only good drive of the day, culminating in a touchdown. ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188/120 "2010-09-12T22:38:58Z")
> [@Bearflag70](#): > > The incomplete call was the right call. The rule is possession to the ground. Looking at it again, I can see the argument that the Lions player caught the ball, put two feet down for the catch, then deliberately lunged as a “second act” after the catch. Close call, but the the call on the field has to stand on review. If the player was falling down as a single act of the catch, then it’s incomplete. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2010-week-1-discussion/553188.md?page=7)