# NFL 2020: Week 12 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 25, 2020, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422 "2020-11-25T14:49:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2020, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/21 "2020-11-27T17:08:06Z")
Jerry Jones is the problem for Dallas. There’s no overcoming a bad GM or a bad owner. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/22 "2020-11-27T17:09:56Z")
A bad GM can usually be fired, of course. But, when that GM is also the owner… ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2020, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/23 "2020-11-27T17:49:08Z")
It’s Jerry Jones’ desire to take credit for losing and to pin the blame on the coaching staff and his players attitudes’ when they lose. I felt for a long time that Garrett probably coached as well as anyone could in Dallas, and even though I don’t necessarily consider him an elite coach, he might actually have gotten better results than coaches who are better because Garrett understood how the Cowboys’ organization worked under Jones. He knew where his boundaries were, going back to his days as a player for Jimmy Johnson. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/24 "2020-11-27T18:30:52Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It’s Jerry Jones’ desire to take credit for losing I think you mean _winning_? ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2020, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/25 "2020-11-27T18:38:08Z")
I don’t understand why anyone thought hiring the guy who had Aaron Rodgers for a decade and only won one Super Bowl was an upgrade. I mean, I get it, one superstar QB is not enough on his own, but still, there’s only 3-5 of those guys playing at any one time and if you have one, you’re already WAAAAAAYYY out in front of everyone else, and he still couldn’t even get the Packers back into a second SB. And yeah, injuries blah blah blah; everyone has injuries. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2020, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/26 "2020-11-27T18:54:23Z")
lol, yeah. I blame Jerry Jones anytime I lose on SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2020, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/27 "2020-11-27T19:30:24Z")
Kenny Stills being released by Houston. Haven’t heard any knucklehead news, maybe it really is just to see if he catches on with a playoff team. [https://twitter.com/CameronWolfe/status/1332405408825298944?s=20](https://twitter.com/CameronWolfe/status/1332405408825298944?s=20) ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/28 "2020-11-27T19:43:00Z")
Ravens/Steelers moving tentatively to Tuesday now ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2020, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/29 "2020-11-27T19:55:54Z")
I’m of two minds on this. On one hand, it sucks to hold a team responsible for the actions of a few and football should be determined on the field, but on the other hand, fuck the Ravens for violating Covid precautions. If they can’t get their shit together enough to put a team on the field, fuck 'em they should forfeit. I guess waiting until Tuesday is a middle ground. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/30 "2020-11-27T20:04:24Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Dallas just does not look like a good team under McCarthy, and I say that as someone who like his hiring. But they don’t play smart or with a lot of passion. I’m not normally an advocate of one-and-done coaching, but McCarthy’s a borderline candidate. That game was awful. You are down 20-16 with 12 minutes left in the 4th quarter. It’s 4th and 10 and you’re on your own 24 yard line. This is not the time for a fake punt. You aren’t desperate, and you don’t have much to gain by getting the first down at this point. Just punt the damn ball, you have plenty of time left. Instead you do a fake and end up with a 1 yard loss. You hand it to Washington where it’s almost the red zone. You go on to give up 3 TDs and not score over the last 12 minutes. That’s awful decision-making. That’s 100% on the coach. Dallas has a lot of problems and getting a new coach won’t fix the team, but he is one of the problems. ---
**Author:** ![jaycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat/32/3015_2.png) [@jaycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaycat)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2020, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/31 "2020-11-27T22:42:18Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > That game was awful. That game was awesome. Love seeing the “Team” go into Dallas and kick their sorry ass. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2020, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/32 "2020-11-27T23:42:06Z")
Sorry, awful for Dallas. Seeing “America’s Team” look pitiful on a Thanksgiving is somewhat awesome in a general sense, yes. Especially against another bad team. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2020, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/33 "2020-11-28T03:16:20Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > …on the other hand, fuck the Ravens for violating Covid precautions. If they can’t get their shit together enough to put a team on the field, fuck 'em they should forfeit. The vindictive jerk in me agrees with you, but the problem with this approach would be if it encourages shenanigans where positive tests aren’t reported (or tests are “missed”) to avoid a forfeit. I want to believe that teams wouldn’t cheat regarding something like this, but Belichick is still coaching. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2020, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/34 "2020-11-28T19:52:36Z")
Lions put Patricia out of his misery, along with Quinn > **[Languishing Lions fire coach Patricia, GM Quinn](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30407459/detroit-lions-fire-coach-matt-patricia-gm-bob-quinn)** > > The Lions on Saturday announced head coach Matt Patricia and general manager Bob Quinn have been relieved of their duties. Patricia's record was 13-29-1 since taking over as the Lions coach in 2018. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2020, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/35 "2020-11-28T21:58:07Z")
The 49ers appear to have been booted out of Santa Clara for 3 weeks, at least. > ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2020, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/36 "2020-11-28T22:13:17Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Lions put Patricia out of his misery, along with Quinn They were probably doomed from the beginning. Maybe they could have succeeded, but not in Detroit. On Sports Illustrated someone asked a question about why the Lions are just awful and never get better no matter who is in charge and the writer had an interesting theory: the Lions’ owners are the hands-off, leave-the-football-to-the-football-people type, which is generally a good thing, however the Lions take it to an extreme. > Part of it is that so much of the business operation is at Ford Field while the football folks are in the suburbs day-to-day. And this manifests without there being a ton of checks and balances over how the football operation is working. > > My belief is that, over the years, that’s allowed for problems, wherever they may be, to fester. Again, most football coaches and scouts want relatively hands-off owners. But the truth is that most good owners are at least creating guardrails for the football people, and making sure certain standards are being upheld. from here: [https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/11/27/mailbag-jets-head-coach-candidates-pat-fitzgerald](https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/11/27/mailbag-jets-head-coach-candidates-pat-fitzgerald) ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2020, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/37 "2020-11-28T22:45:50Z")
Now the Broncos seem to have a bit of a QB crunch. Let’s just say that it’ll be an interesting season to remember in the NFL > ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2020, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/38 "2020-11-28T23:36:48Z")
Maybe they can get Tim Tebow out of retirement. 😛 A little more on the situation: > [@](#): > > All of the quarterbacks on the [Denver Broncos](https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/den/denver-broncos)’ roster are ineligible to play Sunday against the [New Orleans Saints](https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/no/new-orleans-saints) after being deemed high-risk, close contacts in COVID-19 tracing, sources told ESPN’s Adam Schefter on Saturday. > > [Drew Lock](https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3924327/drew-lock) and [Brett Rypien](http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3722362/brett-rypien), the two quarterbacks on the active roster, and practice squad quarterback [Blake Bortles](https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16724/blake-bortles) were deemed to be high risk because they were not wearing their masks, a source told Schefter. > > The Broncos will not be forfeiting, a source told Schefter. > > The concerns have arisen since the Broncos moved quarterback [Jeff Driskel](https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2574630/jeff-driskel) to the reserve/COVID-19 list Thursday morning after a positive test result. > **[All Broncos QBs unavailable Sunday vs. Saints](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30408624/sources-denver-broncos-qbs-ruled-ineligible-vs-new-orleans-saints)** > > Broncos QBs Drew Lock, Brett Rypien and Blake Bortles were each deemed to be high-risk COVID-19 close contacts and none of the three can be in uniform for Sunday's game, the team announced on Saturday night. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2020, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/39 "2020-11-28T23:46:31Z")
Kendall Hinton now rumored to be the QB [https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1332829777468690432?s=20](https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1332829777468690432?s=20) ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2020, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422/40 "2020-11-29T01:18:50Z")
Baltimore placed 6 more players on the COVID reserve list today, bringing them up to 18 total. They are down to six active offensive linemen, and three active defensive linemen. > **[Ravens up to 18 players on COVID list this week](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30408556/baltimore-ravens-add-six-more-reserve-covid-19-list-total-18)** > > The Ravens added six more players to the reserve/COVID-19 list on Saturday, bringing the total number to 18 this week. Meanwhile, Steelers running back James Connor, and a team coach, tested positive today. > **[Sources: Steelers RB Conner, coach test positive](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30406740/sources-pittsburgh-steelers-player-coach-test-positive-coronavirus)** > > A day after placing three players on the reserve/COVID-19 list, the Steelers had running back James Conner and one coach test positive, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter. As cases skyrocket all over the country (and it seems likely that the next few weeks will be even worse), combining this news, along with Denver having no QBs, and the Niners having no place to practice or play, I’m growing increasingly pessimistic that the league will get the full season done on time (if at all). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2020-week-12/926422.md?page=3)