# NFL 2021: Week Five Easy Pieces **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [October 7, 2021, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078 "2021-10-07T14:34:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/101 "2021-10-11T01:18:42Z")
Also, this just in: Tom Brady is still a monster. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/102 "2021-10-11T02:33:37Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Oh, and everyone missed what ended up being a great game so that another boring ass NFC East game could be the national game. I would be happy if they’d just take a fucking decade off from showing every NFC game in primetime/national at this point. > > Even the chargers fans on reddit are rushing in to say “yeah, refs gave us the game, that sucks, good game” Yeah. They really botched it on my station. They had been showing the Packers-Bengals game in overtime and cut out to the start of the Cowboys game when the ball was snapped on the final play. Not cool, even for someone waiting to watch the Cowboys. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/103 "2021-10-11T03:09:32Z")
I didn’t expect much from the Giants this year but my expectations have been lowered to subterranean depths. They would need to have 11 Lawrence Taylor level defensive players to make up for all the injuries on offense. Dallas should be able to coast to a division win this year. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/104 "2021-10-11T03:16:41Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > My issue with QB Rating: > > **Baker Mayfield** : 23/32 305 2 TD 0 INT QBR **122.5** (Now, that’s a very good game, no knock on Baker, but they LOST. Not his fault for sure, but…) > > **Justin Hebert** : 26/43 398 4 TD 0 INT QBR **122** (and his team WON) > > Far too much weight for completion percentage, IMO. 2 things. 1. Wins are an incredibly useless and stupid way to measure QB performance. 2. With passer ratings like that, I always like to check CAY (completed air yards) to see the kind of passes the QB was completing. Mayfield’s CAY: 4.4. Herbert’s CAY: 7. Herbert was throwing further downfield, while Baker was sinking and dunking. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/105 "2021-10-11T04:17:47Z")
I think Josh Allen might be the real Mahomes. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/106 "2021-10-11T05:27:04Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > That’s gotta be a record for the number of times you get a crack at a game winning kick. Couldn’t be more than the **three** chances at a game-winning FG that Giants kicker Jay Feely had against the Seahawks in November 2005. He missed all three, including one in overtime, and the Seahawks eventually booted a winner of their own and won 24-21. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/107 "2021-10-11T05:44:40Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Couldn’t be more than the **three** chances at a game-winning FG that Giants kicker Jay Feely had against the Seahawks in November 2005. There’s a short documentary about this one: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/GZCqlcuSXl8/maxresdefault.jpg "Jay Feely Story - SNL") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZCqlcuSXl8) ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/108 "2021-10-11T05:53:09Z")
Well, maybe I misspoke after all. Did Crosby get 4 chances yesterday, not 3? Maybe I misposted… ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/109 "2021-10-11T06:11:20Z")
were the raiders that horrible again this week? I wonder if the breaking e-mail scandal had anything to do with it ---
**Author:** ![LoneRhino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lonerhino/32/1311_2.png) [@LoneRhino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LoneRhino)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/110 "2021-10-11T06:16:02Z")
Through almost 5 weeks we haven’t had any Scorigami games yet. Had GB-CIN ended in a 22-22 tie that would have been the first one. If you are unfamiliar with Scorigami, check it out. > **[Scorigami](https://nflscorigami.com/)** > > Scorigami is a concept thought up by Jon Bois. It is the art of building final scores that have never happened before in NFL history. Due to the unique nature of how points are scored in (American) Football, where it is impossible to score 1 point on... ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/111 "2021-10-11T07:30:16Z")
The Browns managed to lose 47-42 last year, too, during the Lamar poop game, so that’s at least a little unusual. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/112 "2021-10-11T07:53:32Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > What happened with the officiating? There were a few things but the back breaker was this [https://twitter.com/i/status/1447332454512177154](https://twitter.com/i/status/1447332454512177154) That’s OPI if anything, with the defender just getting mugged, but it happened on a crucial 4th and 8 and extended a drive that probably would’ve been a game ender had it been called correctly. There were others - a Browns o-lineman who was getting his head torn off by a d-lineman got called for holding, there were several PI penalties that should’ve gone against the chargers that didn’t, including on the final play of the game where a defender deliberately dove into David Njoku’s leg to take him out and then the ball landed exactly where he would’ve been but went uncalled. Refs always swallow the whistles on hail mary plays though, if you’re an NFL coach you might as well coach your guys to deliberately tackle receivers like the chargers did. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/113 "2021-10-11T08:01:17Z")
Fun stat: the Browns are the first time in NFL history to put up 40+ points, 0 turnovers, and lose. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/114 "2021-10-11T11:26:33Z")
I agree about wins over the long term as a determination, but looking at those 2 stat lines I think most people would say, objectively, that Hebert had the better game. Both good, but I’d take Hebert’s. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/115 "2021-10-11T12:40:01Z")
I would take either. Twice the touchdowns is nice of course but touchdown stats are noisy. I look at Mayfield’s 32 attempts for 305 yards (in the neighborhood of 10 yards per attempt) versus Herbert’s 43 attempts for 398 yards (over 9 yards per attempt) and they both look pretty good to me. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/116 "2021-10-11T12:58:41Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Well, maybe I misspoke after all. Did Crosby get 4 chances yesterday, not 3? Maybe I misposted… Three chances at a game-winning kick; he also missed a field goal, which would have given the Packers the lead, with just over 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter, which, due to the amount of time left in the game, wouldn’t have technically been a game-winning kick. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/117 "2021-10-11T13:03:20Z")
I hate to blame refs for a loss, but my goodness they were bad in this game. Winning on the road against a very good team is hard enough, but you pile on bad officiating and one absolute game changing egregious PI call, on 4th down even, and it’s hopeless. And the Browns suffered a ton of injuries and get the best team in the NFL next week. Blah. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/118 "2021-10-11T13:06:17Z")
They are playing the team with the best record. Does anyone think Arizona is actually the best team in the NFL right now? Disclaimer: I get most of my football coverage from NPR and the BBC. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/119 "2021-10-11T13:08:22Z")
They are in the conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078/120 "2021-10-11T13:11:52Z")
NBC and SI power rankings both have them #1. ESPN has them #2. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-five-easy-pieces/952078.md?page=7)