# NFL 2021: Week Seven Deadly Sins **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [October 21, 2021, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909 "2021-10-21T14:10:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/102 "2021-10-26T18:07:55Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > The entire Seattle offense, (including whoever was calling the plays) had a very bad night. Yeah, it definitely looks like they’re giving Geno training wheels, which makes sense, because he’s not really doing a great job when he is dropping back. It almost worked last week against the Steelers because they were able to run Collins effectively. The Saints’ defense is better. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/103 "2021-10-26T20:10:16Z")
The Seattle kicker Jason Meyers also looked bad, considering how accurate he has been in the recent past. Weather was certainly a factor (particularly the high winds) but even outside of this game he has only a 60% success rate in kicking field goals this season. That’s bad. It’s the worst in the whole NFL so far this year. > **[2021 NFL Kicking | Pro-Football-Reference.com](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/kicking.htm#kicking::fg_perc)** > > Check out the 2021 NFL Kicking Stats and more on Pro-football-reference.com This is the same kicker from this article less than a year ago: > **[Instant Lookback: Jason Myers Breaks Consecutive Field Goal Record](https://www.seahawks.com/news/instant-lookback-jason-myers-breaks-consecutive-field-goal-record)** > > In Week 15, Jason Myers surpassed Olindo Mare's franchise record for consecutive field goals made. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/104 "2021-10-26T20:35:43Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > The Packers just placed WR Davante Adams on the reserve/COVID-19 list. And, now, their other starting WR, Allen Lazard, joins Adams on the COVID list. Marquez Valdes-Scantling has been injured, but may be able to return this week; regardless, the Packers are likely to be thin at receiver this week. > **[Packers place WR Allen Lazard on reserve/COVID-19 list](https://www.packers.com/news/packers-place-wr-allen-lazard-on-reserve-covid-19-list)** > **[Packers could get back WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling this week vs. Cardinals](https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/10/25/packers-could-get-back-wr-marquez-valdes-scantling-this-week-vs-cardinals/)** > > The Packers are hopeful about the chances of Marquez Valdes-Scantling returning this week to play the Cardinals. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/105 "2021-10-26T20:40:29Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > The entire Seattle offense, (including whoever was calling the plays) had a very bad night. And yet, had there not been an incredibly stupid roughing the passer on the Seattle defense with six minutes to play, the Seahawks would have been in a position to perhaps make a few first downs and win the game. They just had executed a drive that ended with a missed FG, after Smith took a terrible sack. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/106 "2021-10-26T23:00:13Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > And yet, had there not been an incredibly stupid roughing the passer on the Seattle defense with six minutes to play, the Seahawks would have been in a position to perhaps make a few first downs and win the game. That one was rough. Winston put his head right in Blair’s way and it was impossible for him to not hit him in the head; he tried to avoid that contact and couldn’t. As it was, it was more a tap than anything. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/TMpU8tUC_Ws/maxresdefault.jpg "Pete Carroll is FURIOUS after roughing the passer call on a sack") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMpU8tUC_Ws) I think the announcers had it right; it was out of Blair’s control and was bad luck. But by the rules that’s a roughing penalty. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/107 "2021-10-27T00:25:38Z")
What was the problem with Metcalf and the Saints player(yes, I forgot his name)? The fighting, it almost got humorous. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/108 "2021-10-27T00:30:36Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > What was the problem with Metcalf and the Saints player(yes, I forgot his name)? DK does that to everyone. It’s part of his game. He’s been doing it since he was a rookie. I don’t know what he says but it seems like he is able to piss off most defensive backs he plays against and frequently goads them into attacking him and drawing penalties. Even veterans who should know better. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/109 "2021-10-27T01:11:55Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > As it was, it was more a tap than anything. Anytime your helmet hits the QB’s helmet, it’s a penalty. Not a smart play by Blair, as Winston was going down anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/110 "2021-10-27T01:26:37Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Anytime your helmet hits the QB’s helmet, it’s a penalty. As I said… > [@Atamasama](#): > > But by the rules that’s a roughing penalty. > [@Railer13](#): > > Not a smart play by Blair, as Winston was going down anyway. Watch the video again. At the moment Blair hits him, Winston is upright and has the ball. He clearly wasn’t going anywhere but he could’ve dumped it off. And as Blair charges him, Winston is in the process of getting ready to do just that, with Callaway (a WR) open and coming back. The only reason Winston didn’t throw it was because he heard Blair coming and turned around. If Blair had been 6 inches lower in his tackle it would have been a fantastic play. Your analysis is just objectively wrong if you watch the video again. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/111 "2021-10-27T01:43:44Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > If Blair had been 6 inches lower in his tackle it would have been a fantastic play. Your analysis is just objectively wrong if you watch the video again. Blair damn near left his feet to launch himself at the QB, who was engaged by another defender at the time. Look at him at the 48 second mark of this video. And as you yourself said, at the point of contact, Winston is upright and has the ball, but he is clearly tucking the ball and has no intention of throwing it. Even if there’s no helmet to helmet contact, it still might be a penalty. The NFL protects its quarterbacks. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/112 "2021-10-27T02:14:14Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Even if there’s no helmet to helmet contact, it still might be a penalty. Based on what? Sacks are still legal. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/113 "2021-10-27T02:23:05Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Based on what? Leading with your helmet to the upper body of the quarterback. Particularly when he’s in the grasp and stood up by another defender. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/114 "2021-10-27T02:32:45Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Leading with your helmet to the upper body of the quarterback. He didn’t lead with his **crown** of his helmet (which is the rule)… And there is no “upper body” rule, you’re literally making rules up now. > [@Railer13](#): > > Particularly when he’s in the grasp and stood up by another defender. He wasn’t, the only other defender near him was on the ground… Good grief watch the video. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/115 "2021-10-27T03:15:34Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > the only other defender near him was on the ground That defender had a hold of the QB’s leg and was in the process of bringing him to the ground. > [@Atamasama](#): > > He didn’t lead with his **crown** of his helmet Are you kidding me? Look at the 45 second mark of the video. The crown of his helmet hits Winston’s helmet. Not sure what you’re seeing, but it’s not what I’m seeing. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/116 "2021-10-27T12:00:12Z")
From these comments, I figured it would be one of those close, judgment calls that could go either way. It wasn’t. Blair clearly led with his helmet, hits Winston in the facemask, and did it all while upright. It wasn’t one of those scenarios where a tackler goes lower, and the QB happens to be falling, and there was incidental contact. Blair gains momentum, goes high, and tees off on Winston, hitting him in the facemask. Easy, well deserved penalty. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/117 "2021-10-27T12:47:04Z")
Plus he practically launched himself. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/118 "2021-10-27T16:39:51Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Blair clearly led with his helmet, hits Winston in the facemask, and did it all while upright. > [@EllisDee](#): > > Plus he practically launched himself. Glad to know that others are seeing the same thing that I’m seeing! ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/119 "2021-10-27T17:24:07Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > What was the problem with Metcalf and the Saints player(yes, I forgot his name)? The fighting, it almost got humorous. I didn’t see the play or read anything about this, but I can still say with 100% confidence that the Saints player was C. J. Gardner-Johnson. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/120 "2021-10-27T17:51:26Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I can still say with 100% confidence that the Saints player was C. J. Gardner-Johnson. Nope, it was Marshon Lattimore. [Here’s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIDi1tzfq9Y) a compilation of their, uh, interactions Monday night. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909/121 "2021-10-28T04:16:20Z")
Cardinals DE J.J. Watt will be having surgery on his shoulder, which he injured last Sunday, and may miss the rest of the season. > **[Cards' Watt likely done for season, sources say](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32491724/arizona-cardinals-de-jj-watt-likely-store-season-ending-shoulder-surgery-sources-say)** > > Star defensive end J.J. Watt, in his first year with the first-place Cardinals, injured his shoulder in the second quarter Sunday vs. Houston and is now likely headed for season-ending surgery, sources told ESPN on Wednesday. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-seven-deadly-sins/952909.md?page=7)