# NFL 2021: Week Thirteen Assassins **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [December 2, 2021, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373 "2021-12-02T14:29:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/41 "2021-12-06T17:27:03Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > So of course the Seahawks beat the Niners today. Have you looked at the historical record? [https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/teamvsteam?opp=28](https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/teamvsteam?opp=28) SF has lost 17 of the last 20 matchups. How good they are, and how bad the Hawks may be, has nothing to do with it. SF loses to Seattle. Period. Your logic has no power here. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/42 "2021-12-06T17:38:33Z")
Went for two and failed. Harbaugh said it was because the Ravens were so depleted at the cornerback position that it was very likely the Steelers offense would have marched downfield on them in overtime and scored, so Baltimore might as well just try to win it in regulation. The call wasn’t bad, it was just a badly thrown pass and the receiver not hauling it in. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/43 "2021-12-06T17:39:48Z")
Reminds me of the recent Eagles-Giants rivalry, I believe Philadelphia is something like 26-5 against the Giants of late. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/44 "2021-12-06T17:49:57Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > The call wasn’t bad, it was just a badly thrown pass and the receiver not hauling it in. Just for those who didn’t watch, a corner blitz forced him to lob it awkwardly around the defender coming up on him, so some credit to the defense on that one. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/45 "2021-12-06T18:15:01Z")
Some interesting controversy about the end of the Lions game and the fact they didn’t have to attempt the PAT. While a successful 1- or 2-point conversion wouldn’t have affected the game, an unsuccessful attempt with the Vikings returning it for 2 points would have resulted in a tie score. Obviously the Lions would have taken a knee if they had been forced to attempt the PAT, but still - these are the Lions, taking a knee is not a sure thing. The NFL says the officials were correct to not require the PAT because the rule says a Try attempt is not required if “a successful Try would not affect the outcome of the game.” Which is pedantically correct: a successful try wouldn’t have affected the outcome. An _unsuccessful_ try could have, but the rule doesn’t says “successful or unsuccessful.” ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/46 "2021-12-06T18:16:27Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > The NFL says the officials were correct to not require the PAT because the rule says a Try attempt is not required if “a successful Try would not affect the outcome of the game.” Which is pedantically correct: a successful try wouldn’t have affected the outcome. An _unsuccessful_ try could have, but the rule doesn’t says “successful or unsuccessful.” I seem to recall that this is a pretty new rule change, as well. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/47 "2021-12-06T18:37:33Z")
Yeah, I’d prefer the old rule where you must do the extra point regardless of score and whether time has expired. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/48 "2021-12-06T19:20:11Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > Your logic has no power here. Great point! I obviously wasn’t aware of the recent history between these two teams. Quite frankly, my logic has little power anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/49 "2021-12-06T23:04:39Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > As far as I know they didnt trade away their 2022 draft picks , yet, so maybe there is some hope for next year. > Or the year after. > Ok 2024 then. Are they changing owners? ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/50 "2021-12-07T01:39:02Z")
The Pats are running every single play and somehow the Bills can’t stop them. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/51 "2021-12-07T01:41:06Z")
I wonder what the record is for consecutive running plays to start the game by one team…. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/52 "2021-12-07T02:56:26Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > I wonder what the record is for consecutive running plays to start the game by one team On December 3, 1950, the Cleveland Browns defeated the Philadelphia Eagles 13-7. Cleveland did not throw a pass in the game. They ran the ball 41 times. > **[Eagles 7-13 Browns (Dec 3, 1950) | StatMuse](https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/game/12-3-1950-phi-@-cle-2226)** > > The Cleveland Browns emerged victorious over the Philadelphia Eagles, 13 to 7, on December 3, 1950. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/53 "2021-12-07T04:15:27Z")
Bill Belichick will not go gentle into that good night. After being so maligned after last year, it’s fun to see him still being able to coach a good team into greatness. Shutting down the Bills offense is no easy feat. Well done. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/54 "2021-12-07T05:02:04Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > On December 3, 1950, the Cleveland Browns defeated the Philadelphia Eagles 13-7. > > Cleveland did not throw a pass in the game. They ran the ball 41 times. Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/55 "2021-12-07T05:26:18Z")
That 1950 Browns game was the last time that an NFL team did not attempt a pass during a game. ESPN reports that the Patriots’ three pass attempts tonight was the fewest by an NFL team since the Bills attempted only two passes in a 1973 game against the Jets. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/56 "2021-12-07T05:47:15Z")
It’s probably no accident that the one game this season Tom Brady didn’t throw a single TD was the one in Foxborough. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/57 "2021-12-07T14:52:36Z")
What a game plan. Just keep running and smashing and running and smashing. Has to be a hugely demoralizing loss for the Bills at home. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/58 "2021-12-07T18:38:29Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Just a quick note: Fuck Brent Musberger. > > The elderly douche-canoe who doesn’t quite know when to shut the fuck up defended John Gruden by calling his firing a “professional hit job” and completely ignoring the racist and sexist things that Gruden ACTUALLY SAID in an email. It’s like defending Roman Polanski without mentioning the fact he drugged and raped a 13 year old girl. > > Someone find Brent a nice farm upstate, put him out to pasture, and get him off of my TV screen. I know I’m late to the game and others have already commented, but Musbegrer is 100% correct and nothing about that contradicts the point that Gruden is both guilty and a sack of shit. The fact that he’s the only one to get any punishment so far from this _Washington_ investigation is all the evidence you need. Who exactly was he conversing with in these emails? Why did Goddell insist on keeping the investigation closed from the public? If anything it feel like Gruden was the sacrificial lamb. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/59 "2021-12-07T20:26:18Z")
Gruden isn’t a fucking “sacrificial lamb”. He’s a sacrificial lying, racist, women-hating, privileged piece of shit. He’s only bitching now because it’s his ass that got gored. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2021-week-thirteen-assassins/955373/60 "2021-12-07T21:15:22Z")
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