# NFL 2023-2024: Super Bowl 58 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [February 4, 2024, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095 "2024-02-04T16:14:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/21 "2024-02-09T19:04:09Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Reading through the comments here and elsewhere, it’s obvious that the Chiefs are becoming a team that people love to hate. I get that. But I’ve loved hating the 49ers for awhile now. The funny part is that I don’t hate the current team. It’s a strange feeling, like not hating the Yankees. (well, not quite that strange) ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/22 "2024-02-09T19:07:21Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > I don’t care how rich you are. If you spend upward of $10k to go to this game, you are financially irresponsible. Really? If $10,000 is less than a day’s pay? That doesn’t seem “financially irresponsible.” ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/23 "2024-02-09T19:14:54Z")
For me, I really want Trent Williams to get a ring. Dude should be a 1st ballot HoF, a cancer survivor, was fucked over by Dan Snyder and the Commanders, and seems like a genuine good guy. Is my love for him enough to overcome my distaste for Kyle Shanahan and my hatred of MAGA fans? Hopefully. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/24 "2024-02-09T19:19:38Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > But I’ve loved hating the 49ers for awhile now. The funny part is that I don’t hate the current team. I still hate the **team** , I just don’t hate most of the players. In fact, I’m very much a fan of them. It’s so weird. I love Kittle and Purdy and McCaffrey and Samuel and Bosa and Warner and Armstead… They are such good players and I’ve never seen anything to make me dislike them as people. They’re really likeable. But the team as a whole can just go fall into purgatory for eternity as far as I care. It’s weird because if you ask me what _is_ the team if it’s not the players or the coaches (I don’t even hate Shanahan), and I have no opinion of the owners or the GM. It’s just the 49ers so eff 'em. ---
**Author:** ![LoneRhino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lonerhino/32/1311_2.png) [@LoneRhino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LoneRhino)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/25 "2024-02-09T21:28:36Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > But the team as a whole can just go fall into purgatory for eternity as far as I care. > > It’s weird because if you ask me what _is_ the team if it’s not the players or the coaches (I don’t even hate Shanahan), and I have no opinion of the owners or the GM. It’s just the 49ers so eff 'em. This sums up my feelings towards the Cowboys. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/26 "2024-02-09T22:00:48Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I love Kittle and Purdy and McCaffrey and Samuel and Bosa and Warner and Armstead… They are such good players and I’ve never seen anything to make me dislike them as people. They’re really likeable. Allow me to cordially invite you to join my “Nick Bosa is an Asshole” train. He: Is a Trump supporter. Has to scrub his social media in the runup to the NFL draft because he consistently liked racist and homophobic tweets/posts. He’s anti-vax. His girlfriend used the n-word. He’s a fucking whiner. He sided against Colin Kaepernick. The guy is a great player, and a complete asshole. Do not like him. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/27 "2024-02-09T22:20:18Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > The guy is a great player, and a complete asshole. Do not like him. Crap so he’s like another Aaron Rodgers. Okay thanks, now I have someone to hate. 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/28 "2024-02-09T22:28:01Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Crap so he’s like another Aaron Rodgers. > > Okay thanks, now I have someone to hate. 👍 He’s Aaron Rodgers, but with an extra dose of white supremacy. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/29 "2024-02-10T01:38:34Z")
The difference is Rogers won’t shut up about anything, while Bosa made an active decision to not give a shit about anything but football for the last four, five years. And he’s apologized. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/30 "2024-02-10T01:58:06Z")
I keep forgetting its Sunday. When the Ravens didn’t make it, I lost interest. I will watch for the commercials, and I’m not really rooting for anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/31 "2024-02-10T02:24:29Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > while Bosa made an active decision to not give a shit about anything but football for the last four, five years. And he’s apologized. You mean he made an active decision to maintain as non-offensive a public profile as possible for the sake of his career. Not to say that’s an entirely bad thing - public shaming is supposed to work this way - but that hardly makes him a good person, either. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/32 "2024-02-10T18:03:18Z")
I re-watched some of the Chiefs @ Ravens (that’s the AFC Championship game, for the politics-loving, people-hating, folks here who don’t know what a football even looks like, LOL), and also the Raiders @ Chiefs game on Christmas Day. The Chiefs are beatable. But they have Mahomes, one of the greatest in the game today. This should be a really good game. [![](https://i.imgur.com/KLMo7aC.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/KLMo7aC.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/33 "2024-02-10T19:15:54Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > …McCaffrey … I’ve never seen anything to make me dislike them … **This Guy!** As a Trojan fan, I developed a serious hatred of him pretty early on. But since he’s gone Pro, I can’t hold anything against him. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/34 "2024-02-10T20:53:45Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > The Chiefs are beatable Absolutely the Chiefs are beatable. They coulda/shoulda lost to either the Bills or Ravens, and one can convincingly argue that mistakes cost both Buffalo and Baltimore chances to win the game. But as evidenced by both playoff games, the Niners are also beatable. They too coulda/shoulda lost to either the Packers or Lions. And it was mistakes by both those teams that allowed the Niners to come back and eventually win those games. To repeat an oft-used cliché, the team that makes the fewest mistakes will probably win the game. On another topic, I noticed today that the ESPN crawl was listing the Niners as 1.5 point favorites. This is the line listed by FanDuel, all other bookmakers shown on the [VegasInsider](https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/) site still the the Niners as a 2-point favorite. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/35 "2024-02-11T00:12:03Z")
I’m going for the Chiefs. I like stories of sustained success, and the Chiefs are pulling it off as well as any other team I can recall from recent years. I also like the whole Kelce and Swift thing. I like Patrick Mahomes, and I like Andy Reid, who reminds me of my father both in physical appearance and in personality (at least from what I can tell based on his commercials). Of course as a Cowboys fan I couldn’t bring myself to go for the 49ers except in exceptional circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/36 "2024-02-11T05:04:24Z")
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**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/37 "2024-02-11T08:54:51Z")
Aaron Rodgers. Ouch! Wow I remember watching that game. Almost forgot about him. It’s been a long season. _ **GO NINERS!!** _ ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/38 "2024-02-11T13:20:29Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Almost forgot about him. Lucky you. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-2024-super-bowl-58/997095/39 "2024-02-11T16:09:22Z")
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