# NFL 2023 Off-Season Thread
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801
**Category:** The Game Room
**Tags:** football-nfl
**Created:** [February 14, 2023, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801 "2023-02-14T21:26:32Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 12
### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [March 22, 2023, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/221 "2023-03-22T17:26:21Z")
A third potential buyer has emerged for the Washington Commanders: Canadian billionaire Steve Apostolopoulos, who is apparently an investor and real estate developer.
Apostolopoulos would be competing against a group led by Tillman Fertitta (a billionaire in the hospitality industry, who owns the Houston Rockets), and a group led by Josh Harris (owner of the Philadelphia 76ers and New Jersey Devils). Harris’s group brought in Magic Johnson as a potential co-owner a few days ago.
> **[Sources: Canadian billionaire eyes Commanders](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35917988/sources-billionaire-steve-apostolopoulos-joins-bidders-commanders)**
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> Canadian billionaire Steve Apostolopoulos has become the newest potential bidder to tour the Washington Commanders' stadium and training facility as he seeks to buy the franchise, league sources told ESPN.
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### Author:  [@SwissMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SwissMan)
#### Post date: [March 22, 2023, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/222 "2023-03-22T18:55:21Z")
Maybe Commanders fans should be pulling for Apostolopoulos; considering that Jack Kent Cooke, the most successful owner in franchise history, was a native of Canada, maybe this is some sort of omen.
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [March 22, 2023, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/223 "2023-03-22T18:58:17Z")
> [@SwissMan](#):
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> considering that Jack Kent Cooke, the most successful owner in franchise history, was a native of Canada, maybe this is some sort of omen.
Given that the team has only had three owners, and of the other two, one was a racist and cheapskate, who refused to integrate the team until being forced to, and the other is Snyder, it’s not a high bar for Cooke to have been the most successful (or, at least, the least odious) of their owners.
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### Author:  [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)
#### Post date: [March 22, 2023, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/224 "2023-03-22T19:14:42Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> it’s not a high bar for Cooke to have been the most successful (or, at least, the least odious) of their owners
I assume @SwissMan was referring to the team’s three Super Bowl wins during Cooke’s ownership, versus zero for the other two owners.
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### Author:  [@SwissMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SwissMan)
#### Post date: [March 22, 2023, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/225 "2023-03-22T19:19:03Z")
Yes, I did mean it that way. Admittedly, Washington did win two NFL titles (1937, 1942) under Marshall, but after the end of WWII, there was a quarter century of misery.
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### Author:  [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)
#### Post date: [March 22, 2023, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/226 "2023-03-22T19:29:57Z")
Relevant.
> **[Bears crushed Redskins 73-0 to win 1940 title](https://www.chicagobears.com/news/bears-crushed-redskins-73-0-to-win-1940-title)**
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> The Bears destroyed the Redskins 73-0 in the 1940 NFL Championship Game at Griffith Stadium in Washington in what remains the most lopsided game in NFL history, regular season or playoffs.
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### Author:  [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)
#### Post date: [March 22, 2023, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/227 "2023-03-22T23:31:47Z")
> [@EllisDee](#):
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> Elijah Moore looks pretty solid
And he’s gone.
> **[Jets trading WR Elijah Moore, third-round pick to Browns for second-round pick](https://www.nfl.com/news/jets-trading-wr-elijah-moore-third-round-pick-to-browns-for-second-round-pick)**
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> The Cleveland Browns are trading for WR Elijah Moore, sending a second-round draft pick to the New York Jets in exchange for the pass-catcher and a third-rounder, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Wednesday, per sources.
And now for the first time I’m starting to worry. He was one of the pieces that would have made them an instant playoff team with Rodgers.
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2023, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/228 "2023-03-23T02:44:44Z")
> [@EllisDee](#):
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> He was one of the pieces that would have made them an instant playoff team with Rodgers.
Maybe they’ll let Rodgers choose the draft pick.
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### Author:  [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2023, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/229 "2023-03-23T03:16:49Z")
> [@EllisDee](#):
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> He was one of the pieces that would have made them an instant playoff team with Rodgers.
The Jets signed former KC WR Mecole Hardman about the same time as they traded Moore. Hardman was supposed to be the #1 receiver in KC after Tryeek Hill was traded last year, but that never panned out. He missed most of the playoffs because of injury, after a so-so season in which he had just 25 receptions and 4 TDs. He’s got incredible speed, and maybe the Jets will be a better fit for him.
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### Author:  [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2023, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/230 "2023-03-23T13:47:55Z")
Indianapolis Colts sign WR [Isaiah McKenzie](https://www.espn.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/27943/indianapolis-colts-2023-free-agent-signings) to a one-year deal.
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### Author:  [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2023, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/231 "2023-03-23T15:22:35Z")
> [@EllisDee](#):
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> And now for the first time I’m starting to worry. He was one of the pieces that would have made them an instant playoff team with Rodgers.
I’ve been wondering what’s going on with Denzel Mims for a bit now. I thought he would eventually break out there but it just never happened. Trading Moore really makes me wonder WTF is going on in that WR room.
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2023, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/232 "2023-03-23T17:59:43Z")
> [@Railer13](#):
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> Tryeek Hill
I am sure this is a typo but I really like it.
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### Author:  [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2023, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/233 "2023-03-23T18:06:21Z")
> [@Atamasama](#):
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> I am sure this is a typo
Um, yep, could be a typo.
Good catch!
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### Author:  [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2023, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/234 "2023-03-24T03:10:20Z")
This is so fucking weird.
> **[The NFL Has Sent Out A Memo Alleging A Mysterious Man Named "Ken Francis" Has...](https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3460935/the-nfl-has-sent-out-a-memo-alleging-a-mysterious-man-named-ken-francis-has-been-reaching-out-to-teams-on-lamar-jacksons-behalf)**
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> Derik Hamilton. Shutterstock Images.What a bananaland story this has become and continues to be. This entire saga just never ceases to amaze. A couple days ago it was PFT reporting somebody was doing...
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### Author:  [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2023, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/235 "2023-03-24T14:08:51Z")
Can anyone suggest a draft simulator that allows trades (in the free version) and actually runs a realistic draft simulation?
I’ve been using [this one](https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mock-draft-simulator), and its trading platform is cool, but its simulations are wacky. It often leaves the top two QBs undrafted until the Bears pick at #9, which just isn’t going to happen.
I get obsessive about the draft this time of year and need a better (free) platform to scratch my itch. Suggestions?
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2023, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/236 "2023-03-24T17:44:20Z")
> [@Akaj](#):
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> It often leaves the top two QBs undrafted until the Bears pick at #9, which just isn’t going to happen.
LOL, agreed, that would be a weird parallel universe where that happens. 😃
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### Author:  [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)
#### Post date: [March 26, 2023, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/237 "2023-03-26T13:07:19Z")
Apparently, Peyton Manning has been [giving advice](https://heavy.com/sports/indianapolis-colts/colts-schedule-visit-qb-draft-prospect/) and unofficially mentoring Will Levis ahead of the draft.
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [March 26, 2023, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/238 "2023-03-26T20:59:46Z")
Future HoF LB Bobby Wagner has returned to Seattle, as many speculated might happen.
> **[Bobby Wagner, All-Pro linebacker, agrees to rejoin Seahawks on one-year deal](https://www.foxnews.com/sports/bobby-wagner-all-pro-linebacker-agrees-rejoin-seahawks-one-year-deal)**
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> After one season with the Los Angeles Rams, Bobby Wagner agreed to a one-year deal to rejoin the Seattle Seahawks on Saturday. Wagner played 10 years in Seattle.
He’s very talented and was great last year, but he’ll turn 33 in June. $7M on a one year deal seems just about right.
Also, this was hilarious.
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> Cooper Kupp @CooperKupp
Gotta love Cooper.
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### Author:  [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)
#### Post date: [March 27, 2023, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/239 "2023-03-27T12:53:17Z")
Kupp’s comment about Wagner reminds me of 90s Bears CB Mark Carrier, who said one of the reasons he jumped to the Lions as a free agent was so he’d never again have to chase Barry Sanders.
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2023, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/240 "2023-03-28T16:57:49Z")
More on the ongoing Packers/Rodgers divorce:
In recent weeks, Rodgers has said that he would have been happy to return to Green Bay, but that the Packers had not been direct with him, nor discussed with him how he might fit into their plans for 2023.
At the league’s annual meetings in Phoenix yesterday, GM Brian Gutekunst indicated that the last time the team had spoken with Rodgers was in a meeting immediately after the end of the season; he also indicated that the team tried to get in touch with Rodgers repeatedly, and were unable to do so.
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> “I was really looking forward to the conversations with Aaron to see how he fit into that,” Gutekunst said Monday. “Those never transpired. So there came a time where we had to make some decisions, so we went through his representatives to try to talk to him [about] where were we going with our team. At that point, they informed us that he would like to be traded to the [Jets](https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets).”
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> Gutekunst said he was under the impression that after the end-of-season meetings were concluded they would talk again, when both sides had a chance to assess the situation.
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> “Our inability to reach him or for him to respond in any way,” Gutekunst said, “I think at that point, I had to do my job and kind of reach out [to other teams] and understand that a trade could be possible and see who was interested.”
I am so very much over Rodgers.
> **[Packers GM: Talks with Rodgers 'never transpired'](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35973280/packers-puzzled-talks-qb-rodgers-never-transpired)**
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> Green Bay general manager Brian Gutekunst said Monday at the NFL's annual league meeting that he tried unsuccessfully to reach QB Aaron Rodgers "many times" since their final meeting in January shortly after last season ended without a playoff...
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