# NFL 2023 Off-Season Thread
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801
**Category:** The Game Room
**Tags:** football-nfl
**Created:** [February 14, 2023, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801 "2023-02-14T21:26:32Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/421 "2023-05-23T14:11:01Z")
I’m kind of a draft fanatic – reading mocks and tracking the first round real-time online – but I have no interest in watching it on TV, and can’t even begin to fathom the appeal of being there in person.
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2023, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/422 "2023-05-23T19:21:46Z")
The NFL announced another rules change to kickoffs for this year: a kickoff fielded in the field of play (i.e., not in the end zone) can be fair caught, and the ball spotted at the 25 (the same place as a touchback on a kickoff), regardless of where the fair catch is made. This change is being made in hopes of further reducing injury rates on kickoffs, which still have the highest injury rate of any play:
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> Concussion rates on kickoffs have surged over the past two seasons, to nearly twice as high as the average offensive or defensive play, despite a series of previous tweaks to its format that have resulted in touchbacks on roughly 60% of kickoffs on an annual basis. According to Rich McKay, chairman of the NFL’s competition committee, most of that surge can be traced to an increase in returns caused by pop-up kicks.
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> “The data is very clear about the higher rate of injury on that play,” Commissioner Roger Goodell said. “We’ve been talking about it for several years. We have not made a lot of progress on this play. This was a step that we think was appropriate to address that. But we have a lot more work to be done about how we continue to evolve going forward. Can we continue to keep this play in an exciting way but more importantly a safe way?”
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> Jeff Miller, the NFL’s executive vice president of communications, public affairs and policy, said the league estimates returns will drop from 38% to 31% as a result of the fair catch incentive. In exchange, the hope is that concussions on kickoffs drop by 15%.
The ESPN article notes that the change is only for this season, with the assumption that further restructuring of the kickoff rules will happen in the next few seasons. It also notes that the league has been following what’s been happening in the XFL, which has its own rules for reducing injuries on kickoffs.
> **[NFL tweaks fair catch KO rule, eyes fewer injuries](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/37714318/fair-catches-nfl-kickoffs-now-spotted-25-yard-line)**
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> This season, a fair catch on an NFL kickoff will be placed at the 25-yard line regardless of where it is fielded.
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### Author:  [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2023, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/423 "2023-05-23T19:51:26Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> regardless of where the fair catch is made.
Behind the 25. From what I gather, if you fair catch it at the 30 you get it at the 30.
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2023, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/424 "2023-05-23T19:55:27Z")
> [@EllisDee](#):
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> Behind the 25. From what I gather, if you fair catch it at the 30 you get it at the 30.
Ahh, good point there, thank you!
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2023, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/425 "2023-05-23T20:51:22Z")
An interesting article on the surgical repair of 49ers QB Brock Purdy’s elbow; he tore the UCL during the NFC Championship Game, and there were concerns that he would need Tommy John surgery to replace the ligament, and miss the entire 2023 season.
However, Purdy was able to undergo a newer repair procedure (“InternalBrace”), with a shorter recovery period, in March, and is progressing through recovery – the Niners have hopes that he’ll be able to return in time for training camp.
> **[Inside Brock Purdy's UCL repair: The revolutionary Tommy John alternative...](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/37709325/brock-purdy-surgery-49ers-quarterback-ucl-elbow-repair)**
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> Purdy is only the third professional quarterback to forgo Tommy John surgery with a UCL elbow repair, which the 49ers hope will have him ready for the start of the season.
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### Author:  [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2023, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/426 "2023-05-23T21:02:55Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> a kickoff fielded in the field of play (i.e., not in the end zone) can be fair caught, and the ball spotted at the 25 (the same place as a touchback on a kickoff)
The NCAA has had this rule in place for a few seasons, although I believe the ball is spotted at the 20, which is the touchback spot in the college game. I like it.
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### Author:  [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2023, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/427 "2023-05-23T21:10:49Z")
According to Jim Irsay (I know, I know…consider the source), the NFL owners are about to extend [Roger Goodell’s contract](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/37714689/jim-irsay-owners-set-extend-roger-goodell-2027) through the 2027 season.
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2023, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/428 "2023-05-24T14:00:35Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> The NFL announced another rules change to kickoffs for this year: a kickoff fielded in the field of play (i.e., not in the end zone) can be fair caught, and the ball spotted at the 25 (the same place as a touchback on a kickoff), regardless of where the fair catch is made.
So this seems to be aimed at stopping the practice of intentionally kicking the ball short of the end zone to try to force the opponent to run with the ball and start with a shorter field of play. Make it continue to be the choice of the return team and not allow the kicking team to force the issue.
I guess that makes sense, though I still think that if you need to discourage something due to player safety reasons, you might as well eliminate it. I don’t mean eliminating the idea of a kickoff completely, but just eliminate what makes it dangerous, which I believe involves people starting far apart and running at each other at full speed.
I dunno, maybe the kicking team has tacklers that are much closer but can’t move until the return guy passes a certain yard line on the return. Make a good return possible, but don’t let people run the whole field to slam into a guy. There has to be something they can do. If not, just eliminate it and set the ball at the 25 at the beginning of the possession.
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2023, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/429 "2023-05-24T14:34:08Z")
> [@Atamasama](#):
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> I guess that makes sense, though I still think that if you need to discourage something due to player safety reasons, you might as well eliminate it. I don’t mean eliminating the idea of a kickoff completely, but just eliminate what makes it dangerous, which I believe involves people starting far apart and running at each other at full speed.
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> I dunno, maybe the kicking team has tacklers that are much closer but can’t move until the return guy passes a certain yard line on the return. Make a good return possible, but don’t let people run the whole field to slam into a guy. There has to be something they can do. If not, just eliminate it and set the ball at the 25 at the beginning of the possession.
The NFL has apparently considered, but rejected, the idea of eliminating kickoffs entirely, as they feel that fans like the play, but as noted, it has the highest rate of injuries, including concussions, of any type of play. The “pop-up” short kickoffs which teams have been employing appear to have led to an increase in concussions.
The ESPN article indicates that they are looking closely at the rule which the XFL is now using on kickoffs:
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> The league has been closely monitoring the XFL kickoff format, which aligns most of the kicking and return teams downfield and with only 5 yards in between. None of them can move until the returner has fielded the ball, and over the XFL’s 2020 and 2023 seasons, virtually all of the kickoffs have been returned in what amounts to a far less violent environment.
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> “My first watch of it as a pure fan was, ‘Wow, I’m not all that jacked up about this,’” McKay said. “I would say I’ve watched a lot of it now and I see the benefits, because you are clearly creating much more of an offense/defense play. By eliminating some of that space and speed, you’re definitely making it safer.”
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2023, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/430 "2023-05-24T14:50:44Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> The ESPN article indicates that they are looking closely at the rule which the XFL is now using on kickoffs:
That works too. I don’t hate the way the XFL does it.
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2023, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/431 "2023-05-24T17:20:16Z")
Not unlike Matt Ryan last week, RB Adrian Peterson wants teams to know that, despite the fact that he’s 38, and didn’t play last season, he has not retired, and he’s ready to go if a team needs him.
As this article notes, he’s 82 yards short of 15,000 career rushing yards, and 351 yards behind Barry Sanders for fourth place on the all-time rushing list, which I suspect may also be factors in him wanting to continue playing,
Peterson last played in 2021, in limited duty over four games for the Titans and Seahawks.
> **[RB Peterson, 38, says he's not officially retired](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/37720324/rb-adrian-peterson-38-says-not-officially-retired)**
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> Adrian Peterson is ready to take his next handoff should any NFL team offer the 38-year-old the chance in 2023.
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### Author:  [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2023, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/432 "2023-05-24T17:58:37Z")
He had a decent stint with Washington …5 years ago. ⌛
XFL is probably his best bet if he just wants to play, but that does nothing to increase his career NFL stats if that’s what he’s after.
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### Author:  [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2023, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/433 "2023-05-24T22:16:46Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> The league has awarded hosting the 2025 draft to Green Bay. It’ll be a logistical challenge, as the area only has about 4,600 hotel rooms, while they expect to draw roughly 240,000 attendees (as per [this article in the Green Bay Press-Gazette](https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2023/05/22/green-bay-named-host-city-for-2025-nfl-draft/70218411007/), which may be behind a paywall). It’s expected that attendees will be staying as far away as Milwaukee and Madison.
This seems like a disaster waiting to happen. All the draft cities so far have had some kind of central park-style area where the city can host a major outdoor event. It’s usually picturesque and generally feels pretty natural for a major city. They’ve had festivals, parades and other big, usually free outdoor events and they’ve had practice managing the parking, security and general chaos of the event. No way Green Bay has anything comparable. The only viable option I can envision is hosting it at the stadium, which I suppose is fine, but we see that every Sunday already. It’s not at all interesting.
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### Author:  [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2023, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/434 "2023-05-24T22:59:38Z")
Hey – there is Bay Beach 😉
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The Reforestation camp is nearby
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The GBPG says
> Green Bay has a physical setup similar to that in Cleveland, which hosted the 2021 draft. [Cleveland centered the draft on](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Progressive+Field/@41.5067025,-81.6981564,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x8830fa86b610f6ed:0x52dcb50dc0cf3385!8m2!3d41.496211!4d-81.6852289) the Browns’ FirstEnergy Stadium, the Great Lakes Science Center and the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. The Packers would have a similar footprint with the Resch Center/Resch Expo complex, Lambeau Field and the Titletown District.
> The main portion of the event will take place on the Lambeau Field and Titletown campus, with other venues used as needed.
Brian
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2023, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/435 "2023-05-24T23:08:20Z")
> [@Omniscient](#):
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> No way Green Bay has anything comparable. The only viable option I can envision is hosting it at the stadium, which I suppose is fine, but we see that every Sunday already. It’s not at all interesting.
As the Press-Gazette article I linked to notes, and as @N9IWP quotes, it looks like they are planning to host it across three locations, which are all adjacent to one another:
- Lambeau Field itself, which has a large indoor atrium
- The [Resch Center](https://www.reschcomplex.com/home), an indoor arena and exposition center, located directly east of the stadium
- The “[Titletown District](https://www.titletown.com/),” which is a large entertainment district, directly to the west of the stadium, and owned by the Packers. It has parks, a playground, a sledding hill (not so useful in April), a football field, a restaurant, and a hotel, among other attractions.
One would certainly hope that the NFL has vetted their plans, and found the facilities and logistics to be sufficient.
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2023, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/436 "2023-05-24T23:41:53Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> One would certainly hope that the NFL has vetted their plans, and found the facilities and logistics to be sufficient.
The NFL screws things up all the time (look at the recent history of Washington’s football team to start) but not stuff like that. The fact that they’re holding it there seems like proof that it is a decent location for this. The NFL is really good at preparing venues for events.
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### Author:  [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2023, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/437 "2023-05-24T23:43:24Z")
> [@Atamasama](#):
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> The NFL is really good at preparing venues for events.
The turf in the last Super Bowl notwithstanding, of course.
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### Author:  [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)
#### Post date: [May 25, 2023, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/438 "2023-05-25T03:15:42Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> a sledding hill (not so useful in April),
Wanna bet? 😉
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### Author:  [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)
#### Post date: [May 25, 2023, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/439 "2023-05-25T03:27:27Z")
> [@N9IWP](#):
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> The GBPG says
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> > Green Bay has a physical setup similar to that in Cleveland, which hosted the 2021 draft. [Cleveland centered the draft on](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Progressive+Field/@41.5067025,-81.6981564,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x8830fa86b610f6ed:0x52dcb50dc0cf3385!8m2!3d41.496211!4d-81.6852289) the Browns’ FirstEnergy Stadium, the Great Lakes Science Center and the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. The Packers would have a similar footprint with the Resch Center/Resch Expo complex, Lambeau Field and the Titletown District.
> > The main portion of the event will take place on the Lambeau Field and Titletown campus, with other venues used as needed.
I’m not sure the COVID draft is the best template to follow. Having been to both places more than once, the Cleveland facilities are quite a lot more substantial. Lambeau and the atrium plus Titletown (_gag_) is definitely more usable than Browns stadium, but the Cleveland setup is on the waterfront which is a huge difference.
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [May 25, 2023, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-off-season-thread/979801/440 "2023-05-25T07:28:22Z")
> [@Omniscient](#):
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> Wanna bet? 😉
I’m picturing Calvin, Hobbes, and a wagon.
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