# NFL 2023 Preseason Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [July 27, 2023, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698 "2023-07-27T19:32:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2023, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/21 "2023-07-30T02:42:15Z")
> **[Colts RB Jonathan Taylor requests trade following meeting with owner Jim Irsay](https://www.nfl.com/_amp/colts-rb-jonathan-taylor-requests-trade-in-final-year-of-rookie-contract)** > > Colts running back Jonathan Taylor formally requested a trade following a meeting with owner Jim Irsay on the team bus, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported on Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2023, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/22 "2023-07-30T02:43:41Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > He’ll be 37 in a few months, and when he was with the Packers (2018-19) and Bears (2020-21), he seemed to be already on the downside of his career. He was definitely tapering off. But with the Bears he was still a pretty reliable red zone option with some terrible QB play. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2023, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/23 "2023-07-30T03:08:03Z")
I’d hoped the situation with Taylor wouldn’t come to this. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2023, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/24 "2023-07-30T16:41:47Z")
Same here. But I’m reading that many running backs and agents are upset about the negotiated franchise tag rates this contract season. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2023, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/25 "2023-07-30T17:35:54Z")
Ahhhh, the preseason. When all the holes in your team’s offensive line are papered over; the running back position is solidified not this year; all your rookies are “potential” plug in starters/allstars; the QB is completely healed and contract happy; healthy competition for all cornerback positions. A playoff berth is all but assured, advancement to the SB is openly talked on sports radio. It’s a wonderful time of the year to be a fan. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2023, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/26 "2023-07-30T20:29:04Z")
Rodgers goes all Will Smith on Payton over Hackett comments: > **[Rodgers slams 'insecure' Payton for Hackett talk](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38101915/aaron-rodgers-snaps-back-sean-payton-hackett-comments)** > > Aaron Rodgers says Sean Payton's comments about Nathaniel Hackett "were very surprising" and out of character "for a coach to do that to another coach." > “It made me feel bad that someone who has accomplished a lot in the league is that insecure that they have to take another man down to set themselves up for some easy fall if it doesn’t go well for that team this year,” Rodgers told NFL+ in a sit-down interview after practice. “I think it was way out of line, inappropriate, and I think he needs to keep my coaches’ names out of his mouth.” ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/27 "2023-07-31T12:13:10Z")
Oh, and (partially) because of the Jonathan Taylor ordeal, fans have [named Jim Irsay as the worst owner in the NFL](https://fanrecap.com/fans-label-jim-irsay-as-worst-owner-in-nfl-post-dan-snyder-exit-amid-jonathan-taylor-drama-piece-of-sht/). ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/28 "2023-07-31T22:47:59Z")
Irsay worst owner? Number 32? All the others tied at 31st? Back to my Browns. Lifelong fan but they are not helping. At least I can laugh. > **[Deshaun Watson: ‘I’ve Learned From My Mistake Of Using My Own Name At Massage...](https://www.theonion.com/deshaun-watson-i-ve-learned-from-my-mistake-of-using-1850692020)** > > CLEVELAND—In response to concerns about whether his off-field behavior would risk further derailing his career, Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson told reporters Monday, “I’ve learned from my mistake of using my own name at massage parlors.”... ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/29 "2023-07-31T23:20:21Z")
Since Jalen Ramsey has a meniscus tear, and is going to miss games, the Dolphins signed Eli Apple. Apple and Tyreek Hill have a history of trash talking, but management got Hill’s ok to sign Apple. > **[Eli Apple Says 'It's All Love' With Tyreek Hill After Signing Dolphins Contract](https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10084567-eli-apple-says-its-all-love-with-tyreek-hill-after-signing-dolphins-contract.amp.html)** > > The beef between cornerback Eli Apple and wide receiver Tyreek Hill has apparently been put to rest. Apple, who is now teammates with Hill after signing a… ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/30 "2023-08-01T02:15:34Z")
If you’re looking for NepoBabies in the NFL to hate, here you go: Bill Bidwell/Arizona Cardinals. Virginia McCaskey/Chicago Bears Mike Brown/Cincinnati Bengals Rob Walton/Denver Broncos Sheila Ford-Hemp/Detroit Lions Janice/Cal McNair/Houston Texans Jim Irsay/Indianapolis Colts Clark Hunt/Kansas City Chiefs Mark Davis/Las Vegas Raiders Dean Spanos/Las Angeles Chargers Stan Kroenke/L.A. Rams Gayle Benson/New Orleans Saints John Mara/NY Giants Woody Johnson/ NY Jets Jeffrey Lurie/Philly Eagles Art Rooney/ Pittsburgh Steelers Denise York/SF 49ers Jody Allen/Seattle Seahawks Amy Strunk/Tennesse Titans ---
**Author:** ![LoneRhino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lonerhino/32/1311_2.png) [@LoneRhino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LoneRhino)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/31 "2023-08-03T01:24:37Z")
I prefer to base my like or dislike, never hatred, of a person based on their actions. Do you think Chiefs fans are bothered by the fact that the team was inherited. As a Giants fan, I’ve had my issues with John Mara, but they have won 2 super bowls during his tenure. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/32 "2023-08-03T02:43:18Z")
> [@LoneRhino](#): > > Do you think Chiefs fans are bothered by the fact that the team was inherited. As a Giants fan, I’ve had my issues with John Mara, but they have won 2 super bowls during his tenure. Clark Hunt was named Chairman in 2005. He (and his siblings and mother) inherited the Chiefs when his dad died in 2006. He had some bad missteps early, but he hired Andy Reid in 2013 and KC has been pretty damn good ever since and have won 2 of the last 4 Super Bowls. KC fans are liking Clark Hunt just fine at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/33 "2023-08-03T19:32:44Z")
Did anyone realize that tonight is the Hall of Fame game? Maybe I’ll watch a couple of sets of downs. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/34 "2023-08-03T19:36:17Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Did anyone realize that tonight is the Hall of Fame game? I hadn’t realized it, in fact, until I’d heard it mentioned on the radio this morning. I generally find preseason football to be uninteresting, unless it’s the Packers, at which point, I’m watching it solely to see if the rookies and new players look to be any good. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/35 "2023-08-04T05:23:53Z")
I only realized it was on because I saw some Instagram post about something that happened during the game. It’s a weird and changing world. I assume Rodgers did not take any snaps, since that’s about the only thing that might have convinced me to watch it as more than background noise. > [@Hamlet](#): > > If you’re looking for NepoBabies in the NFL to hate, here you go: It strikes me as bizarre to single out these children who essentially have inherited the family business. Doing so somehow implies that we should favor billionaire hedge fund managers, tech bros and oil tycoons instead. Talk about a fucked-up lens to view the world through. If we’re going to crap on “nepobabies” I’d be more focused on the coaches’ kids who get awarded jobs after demonstrating no aptitude for coaching football (looking at you Reid and Belichick). ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/36 "2023-08-04T05:31:38Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I assume Rodgers did not take any snaps, since that’s about the only thing that might have convinced me to watch it as more than background noise. He didn’t even suit up; he was on the sidelines in a t-shirt. He did an interview with the announcers for a few minutes during the second half. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/37 "2023-08-04T14:33:22Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > If we’re going to crap on “nepobabies” I’d be more focused on the coaches’ kids who get awarded jobs after demonstrating no aptitude for coaching football (looking at you Reid and Belichick). I don’t disagree with your overall point on coaches’ sons, but Steve Belichick is probably not the example you want: he was the defensive playcaller for the 2019 Super Bowl Champion Patriots, so “no aptitude” seems off base there. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/38 "2023-08-04T18:40:33Z")
When he was given his first job with the team he had no qualifications. And let’s face it, Bill handles the defense in every way that matters. Matt Patrica “called plays” and we see what a superstar he is. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/39 "2023-08-04T18:50:44Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > When he was given his first job with the team he had no qualifications. This is pointless nitpicking, but what else is preseason for? Your statement is true, but it is also true of every new coach when they are hired for their first coaching job (unless they were a player), so… ?? Bill B. himself played a little football at a no-name college and got a degree in Economics. Should he not have been hired for his first job because he had no coaching experience? You also did not say “qualifications” before, you said “aptitude.” My argument is that the younger Belichick has displayed more than “no aptitude.” And let’s not forget Nate in Ted Lasso 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698/40 "2023-08-04T18:55:09Z")
Did he get hired because he interviewed well or because he was Belichick’s kid? We’re talking about neoptism in the NFL and there’s no argument that this isn’t that. If Patriots fans seriously think he’s the best candidate they could find for the “DC” position in New England, well I guess they deserve what they get. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-preseason-thread/987698.md?page=3)