# NFL 2023: WEEK 11 Men on the field, Buffalo
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214
**Category:** The Game Room
**Tags:** football-nfl
**Created:** [November 16, 2023, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214 "2023-11-16T01:17:15Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2023, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/21 "2023-11-17T04:00:02Z")
Unrelated to bad officiating… Just from a viewing standpoint, I’d love to watch Amazon’s all-22 version, but the graphics displayed live on-screen make it unwatchable, visually. I didn’t think that including ten yards of empty grass behind the QB while not showing the receivers and DBs could be topped.
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### Author:  [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2023, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/22 "2023-11-17T04:16:26Z")
I hadn’t dug into that stream until seeing your post. It’s only been a handful of plays, but so far I dig it. I don’t really need the circles or the route lines, but I really like seeing the personnel packages and the wider angle. Will have to give this a test drive next week for the full game.
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### Author:  [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2023, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/23 "2023-11-17T12:28:48Z")
Andy Reid has been the head coach in seven games between the Eagles and the Chiefs, 3 as the coach of the Eagles, and 4 as the coach of the Chiefs.
Reid is 7-0 in those seven games.
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### Author:  [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2023, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/24 "2023-11-17T12:59:49Z")
My least favourite thing about football right now is the PI penalties on deep balls that are underthrown 5-10 yards where the receiver tries to correct at the last second to draw the flag. I’d love to see them legislate these flags out of the game, but understand it would be really hard to differentiate between these and legit PI.
Also, every time i see the much lauded “back shoulder” sideline throw I wonder if they actually intended it that way, or if it was just a poorly thrown ball that the receiver corrected to save the QB’s ass.
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### Author:  [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2023, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/25 "2023-11-17T14:04:27Z")
> [@Clawdio](#):
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> Also, every time i see the much lauded “back shoulder” sideline throw I wonder if they actually intended it that way, or if it was just a poorly thrown ball that the receiver corrected to save the QB’s ass.
You might want to read this article from nine years ago where Tom Brady talks about the difficulty in making this play work.
> **[Tom Brady Explains Why Back Shoulder Throws Are So Difficult](https://www.boston.com/sports/extra-points/2014/11/19/tom_brady_explains_back_shoulder_throws/)**
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> Timing, chemistry, accuracy, deception, trust. All of these things go into a well-executed back shoulder throw, one of the most difficult throws and catches in football. It's also one of the most difficult to defend, if everything goes right.
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### Author:  [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2023, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/26 "2023-11-17T15:18:02Z")
> [@Railer13](#):
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You might want to read this article from nine years ago where Tom Brady talks about the difficulty in making this play work.
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Interesting, thank you. The complexity of everything needing to go right was part of the reason i thought it wasn’t actually planned that way. Pretty wild that the best are actually able to execute those throws/catches.
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### Author:  [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2023, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/27 "2023-11-17T15:27:38Z")
Mmmmm…the Aaron Rodgers back shoulder fade to Jordy Nelson. Takes me back to a simpler time - a better time.
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### Author:  [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2023, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/28 "2023-11-17T16:02:39Z")
Whenever I think of back shoulder throws I think of that frigid NFC championship game in Green Bay when Eli and Plaxico just _lit up_ Al Harris all game long.
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### Author:  [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2023, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/29 "2023-11-17T16:45:12Z")
> [@Omniscient](#):
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> I don’t really need the circles or the route lines
That’s precisely what I’d like to turn off. I find it extremely distracting.
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### Author:  [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2023, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/30 "2023-11-17T19:47:27Z")
Joe Burrow out for the season.
[https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/joe-burrow-to-miss-rest-of-2023-season-with-wrist-injury](https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/joe-burrow-to-miss-rest-of-2023-season-with-wrist-injury)
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### Author:  [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2023, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/31 "2023-11-17T19:54:39Z")
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### Author:  [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2023, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/32 "2023-11-17T21:58:18Z")
Charissa Thompson, current host and former sideline reporter at Fox Sports and Amazon TNF, admitted that she sometimes made up the sideline reports if she couldn’t get comment from a coach or player. She clarified today that she didn’t actually lie, she just said what she’s sure the coaches were thinking, which I guess is very different?
My faith in commentary is shaken to the core. All these years I thought stuff like “we have to stop turning the ball over” was brilliant insight. Now I don’t know what to believe in.
[https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/sport/charissa-thompson-sideline-reports-spt-intl/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/sport/charissa-thompson-sideline-reports-spt-intl/index.html)
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### Author:  [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2023, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/33 "2023-11-18T00:06:08Z")
Tall, single (now), attractive, and clairvoyant. Much less CTE than the coaches she’s interviewing. I am more interested in her comments than having Andy Reid try to explain clock management or challenge flags.
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2023, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/34 "2023-11-18T00:50:25Z")
> [@smithsb](#):
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> Tall, single (now), attractive, and clairvoyant.
Joe’s still dating someone… Oh you meant Charissa.
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### Author:  [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2023, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/35 "2023-11-18T01:17:05Z")
i take it you don’t remember or wasn’t there in the 80s and 90s? When the Patriots made the browns and Lions look good?
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### Author:  [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2023, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/36 "2023-11-18T01:42:20Z")
Winner of the Eagles-Chiefs game on Monday Night will most likely lock up the No. 1 seed in their respective conference.
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2023, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/37 "2023-11-18T02:04:49Z")
Gosh, I’m trying to remember the last time that the Eagles and Chiefs played each other but I’m drawing a blank here.
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### Author:  [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2023, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/38 "2023-11-18T14:00:42Z")
With the addition of the 17th game, there should be a rematch of the Super Bowl every season.
But if I looked correctly, this is the 3rd season with the 17th game, and it’s the first rematch of the SB teams.
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### Author:  [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/39 "2023-11-18T14:11:32Z")
> [@Railer13](#):
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> With the addition of the 17th game, there should be a rematch of the Super Bowl every season.
Not at all. Even with the 17th game, there’s only 2 possible divisions in cross-conference play - you play all teams of one division, and one team in one other division - the team that ended the same position as you did in their division. You don’t play against any teams in the other 2 divisions. It’s pure luck that the 17th game this year is NFC East vs AFC West - if the Bengals had gone to the SB instead of the Chiefs, there wouldn’t be a rematch this year.
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### Author:  [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2023, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2023-week-11-men-on-the-field-buffalo/993214/40 "2023-11-18T14:39:56Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#):
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> Even with the 17th game, there’s only 2 possible divisions in cross-conference play - you play all teams of one division, and one team in one other division
Yes, that’s true under the current format. No reason why it couldn’t be changed, however.
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