# NFL 2024-25: Week 12 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [November 19, 2024, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463 "2024-11-19T15:27:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![SwissMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@SwissMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SwissMan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/41 "2024-11-21T18:11:33Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > Patrick Mahomes was the first QB drafted by the Chiefs in the first round since Todd Blackledge in 1983. The Cowboys can top that; they haven’t taken a QB in the first round since Troy Aikman went #1 overall in 1989. The Cowboys have drafted only two first-round quarterbacks in their entire history, Aikman and Craig Morton (!). ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/42 "2024-11-21T18:24:07Z")
> [@SwissMan](#): > > The Cowboys have drafted only two first-round quarterbacks in their entire history, Aikman and Craig Morton (!). And the Seahawks can top _that_; they have only drafted one first round QB in the entire history of the franchise. That was Rick Mirer in 1993, the second overall pick. Of course, the Seahawks have only been drafting players since 1976, while the Cowboys have been drafting since 1961. But still, only once in their whole team history… (Though I’m pretty confident they would have drafted Michael Penix in the first round this year if he was still available at the time.) ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/43 "2024-11-21T18:42:59Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > because Blackledge turned out to be such a bust Particularly when they could have drafted Jim Kelly or Tony Eason or some guy named Dan Marino. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/44 "2024-11-21T18:53:13Z")
It’s not like any of them won any Super Bowls 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/45 "2024-11-21T19:24:47Z")
The thing about Blackledge isn’t just that he was the last 1st round QB drafted by the Chefs, it’s that he was (prior to Mahomes) the last QB to be drafted in ANY round _and start a game_ for the Chefs! ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/46 "2024-11-21T19:29:55Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > It’s not like any of them won any Super Bowls The Chiefs played one playoff game in the Blackledge era. And they got crushed by the Jets. He was 12-21 for 80 yards, no TDs, and 2 INTs. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/47 "2024-11-21T19:45:32Z")
Daniel Jones is still going strong! > **[Daniel Jones Used at Safety in Giants Practice After Benching for Tommy DeVito](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10144309-daniel-jones-used-at-safety-in-giants-practice-after-benching-for-tommy-devito)** > > After being removed as the starting quarterback of the New York Giants and demoted to the bottom of the depth chart this week, Daniel Jones appears to be… > Per The Athletic’s Dan Duggan, Jones was seen lined up at safety as a member of the scout team defense during an offensive install period for new starting quarterback Tommy DeVito in the open portion of Thursday’s practice. > > In his newfound position on the scout team defense, Jones shared the field with some practice squad offensive linemen, tight ends coach Tim Kelly, assistant quarterback coach Christian Jones and offensive assistant Christian Daboll. I joked to my wife that soon he’ll be the guy taking everyone’s coffee orders. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/48 "2024-11-21T20:08:24Z")
That headline got a belly laugh out of me. Such indignity. ---
**Author:** ![Jegpeg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jegpeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jegpeg)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/49 "2024-11-21T20:46:09Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Though I’m pretty confident they would have drafted Michael Penix in the first round this year if he was still available at the time. I am not convinced of that, a lot of fans like the idea of getting a franchise QB on low pay via the draft but the front office know most of the time they bust. In 2023 there was a lot of speculation we would get Richardson or Levis. OK Richardson wasn’t available but Mel Kipper had us picking Levis at 5 and we didn’t even take him at 20 In 2022 just about everyone expected us to get a replacement for Wilson and when we didn’t get one from Free Agency it was assumed there must be a rookie we liked even though the Draft was weak at QB that year. A few people thought we would go for Correl (admittedly some of the time in the 2nd Round) given the draft class a think a lot of people were expecting us to get a QB at 9 but worried about us overreaching. Tom Fornelli even had us trading up to 7 to get Malik Willis. I think the Seahawks got Sam Howell as their back-up and potential QBOTF, while they might have used a later pick if someone they liked fell (like the did with Russell Wilson after sighing Matt Flynn) I don’t think they would have got a QB in the 1st Round > **[Kiper's Round 1 NFL mock draft: Where four quarterbacks land in the top 10 picks](https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2023/insider/story/_/id/35514084/2023-nfl-mock-draft-mel-kiper-first-round-predictions-31-picks-best-team-fits-top-prospects)** > > Mel Kiper Jr. predicts every first-round pick in April's draft. Here's how he sees Round 1 shaking out. > **[2022 NFL Mock Draft: Seahawks move up to select Malik Willis; Jordan Davis a...](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-seahawks-move-up-to-select-malik-willis-jordan-davis-a-risk-or-reward/)** > > Jordan Davis put on a show at combine but is he worth a high pick? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/50 "2024-11-21T20:49:20Z")
> [@Jegpeg](#): > > I am not convinced of that, a lot of fans like the idea of getting a franchise QB on low pay via the draft but the front office know most of the time they bust. I think it was the chance for Ken Grubb to try to recreate the mojo they had at UW. I know there were rumors that Seattle was trying to trade up for him, and those rumors were squashed, so I don’t think that was true. But I do believe if he was available at 16, they would have taken him. > **[Seattle Seahawks Never Tried To Trade Up For Michael Penix - Report](https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/news/seattle-seahawks-michael-penix-jr-trade-up)** > > The 2024 NFL Draft has officially come to a close, and even through seven rounds and 257 total picks, the biggest surprise came very early on. At No. 8 overall, We may never know for sure though. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/51 "2024-11-21T23:22:11Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > …because Blackledge turned out to be such a bust. Eh, he’s no Sandy Osiecki. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/52 "2024-11-22T02:24:46Z")
Yes Browns. A td then field goal. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/53 "2024-11-22T03:24:19Z")
Hmm. I don’t think the 2-point chart thingie recommends going for it with a 10 point lead, but they got away with it. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/54 "2024-11-22T03:24:31Z")
And now the Browns lead by 12 with 12 minutes to play. Enough time for the Steelers to come back, but the heavy snow continues to fall. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/55 "2024-11-22T03:25:12Z")
Oh yeah I’m now getting accumulations on the ground here. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/56 "2024-11-22T03:26:35Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > I don’t think the 2-point chart thingie recommends going for it with a 10 point lead Well, a 12 point lead forces the Steelers to score two touchdowns. Otherwise a TD, 2 point conversion, and FG ties the game. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/57 "2024-11-22T03:40:03Z")
Typical Browns: other team gets a TD, immediately cough it up and give it back to them. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/58 "2024-11-22T04:08:37Z")
Nice, Browns ramming it down. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/59 "2024-11-22T04:10:31Z")
Yes!🏈 ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/60 "2024-11-22T04:14:28Z")
Browns still with a chance to epically collapse. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463.md?page=4)