# NFL 2024-25: Week 12 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [November 19, 2024, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463 "2024-11-19T15:27:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/61 "2024-11-22T04:16:46Z")
As long as there is 00:01 on the clock, the Browns can always choke. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/62 "2024-11-22T04:21:21Z")
No Hail Mary tonight. Browns hang on and beat the Steelers! ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/63 "2024-11-22T04:23:49Z")
Yeah! Move Steelers down, Ravens up. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/64 "2024-11-22T05:52:22Z")
YES! Victory for the Browns as I predicted. Subscribe to my newsletter for more prognostication and prestidigitation. It’s absolutely free and worth every penny. If you’re not satisfied, I’ll refund your subscription five (that’s right, 5) times over. NOTE: My predictions have been statistically back checked and found to be actually below chance. The BROWNS now own the important head-to-head tiebreakers over the Steelers and Ravens (and the Jags 🙄). Now with a semi-competent but turnover prone QB, a smattering of effective running plays and a Myles Garrett led defense; I can see a definite middle of the pack ending to the season and no hope of riding themselves of Deshaun Watson before the heat death of the solar system. **GO BROWNIES!** ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/65 "2024-11-22T15:34:02Z")
Wow, Pickens is insane, fighting with a Browns player while the Hail Mary play was still going on. From the standard broadcast view it looked like the CB was pushing him all the way through the end zone and I was like “okay, I can see being pissed about that, though you should keep your mind on the play.” But then I saw an end zone angle and Pickens was _pulling the CB by his facemask through the end zone!_ So what the hell was he so mad about? 😵‍💫 ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/66 "2024-11-22T16:15:55Z")
Was the Browns player involved Grant Delpit? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/67 "2024-11-22T16:29:51Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Was the Browns player involved Grant Delpit No, it was Greg Newsome. Pickens also had some highly complimentary words about the Browns after the game: > “The conditions played a huge, huge part in today’s game,” he told reporters. "I don’t really think the Cleveland Browns are a good team at all. > **[WATCH: Steelers' George Pickens restrained after scuffle with Browns CB, who...](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/watch-steelers-george-pickens-restrained-after-scuffle-with-browns-cb-who-calls-him-a-fake-tough-guy/)** > > Things got heated at the end of "Thursday Night Football" " ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/68 "2024-11-22T16:46:43Z")
The Giants have agreed to release Daniel Jones. At last, our long nightMara is over… > **[Giants agree to cut Jones: Best for QB and team](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/42545134/giants-granting-qb-daniel-jones-request-move-on)** > > The Giants are granting Daniel Jones' request to be released, saying the sides mutually agreed that it "would be best for him and for the team" to move on. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/69 "2024-11-22T16:50:57Z")
Think he’ll clear waivers? 😁 > “We hold Daniel in high regard and have a great appreciation for him,” Mara said. “We wish him nothing but the best in the future.” “But still, fuck off!” ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/70 "2024-11-22T17:26:04Z")
> [@zweisamkeit](#): > > So what the hell was he so mad about? Losing to a 2-8 division rival? Too bad, so sad. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/71 "2024-11-22T18:09:52Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > “The conditions played a huge, huge part in today’s game,” he told reporters. "I don’t really think the Cleveland Browns are a good team at all. So true! The Browns were lucky because they didn’t have to play in those same conditions the Steelers did. Oh wait! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/72 "2024-11-22T18:35:15Z")
When by your own words, you lose to a team that isn’t good, what does that make you? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/73 "2024-11-22T19:49:29Z")
That’s one of many things I like about the NFL. Even the ‘bad’ teams aren’t terrible (generally), and you can’t take a day off against anybody. Compare that to college football, where there is a wide gap between the elite teams and the bottom feeders. (Yes, I know it’s 32 teams versus 133 teams. And, yes, I do like to watch a good college football game.) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/74 "2024-11-22T20:01:24Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > That’s one of many things I like about the NFL. Even the ‘bad’ teams aren’t terrible (generally), and you can’t take a day off against anybody. Yup. Only the best of the best can make it onto even the worst roster. That and the efforts to enforce parity (which works to an extent) means there is very rarely a game that has a foregone conclusion in the NFL. (The only exception would be the weird anomaly where, say, every single quarterback on the roster gets injured… Yes, I’m looking at you San Francisco.) ---
**Author:** ![Jegpeg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jegpeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jegpeg)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/75 "2024-11-22T21:37:43Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > The only exception would be the weird anomaly where, say, every single quarterback on the roster gets injured… Yes, I’m looking at you San Francisco Though this season whenever the Brown’s QB gets hurt they replace him with someone a little better. If they get 20 more injuries that might actually end up with someone good. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/76 "2024-11-22T21:39:53Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > Think he’ll clear waivers? 😁 I still imagine he’ll get signed before December. He’s not a great QB but he’d be a serviceable replacement for the league’s bottom dwellers and certainly among the best of the craptacular options that otherwise exist at the position. That said, apparently he believed himself to be a top tier QB on a bad team, so I await with barely concealed schadenfreude for the lackluster contracts he’s going to have to swallow and his slowly dawning realization that maybe the other 31 teams in the league don’t see him the way he sees himself. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/77 "2024-11-22T21:54:51Z")
Backup QB seems about his correct level. But not at $40M a year. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/78 "2024-11-23T02:59:10Z")
I can’t remember… Does a team claiming him on the waiver wire assume his existing contract? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/79 "2024-11-23T04:13:53Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Does a team claiming him on the waiver wire assume his existing contract? If they claim him on waivers, I believe so. If he clears waivers (i.e., no team puts in a claim during the waiver period, which is, I think, a couple of days), he then becomes a free agent, and can negotiate with any team – but that negotation would involve a new contract. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463/80 "2024-11-23T04:53:29Z")
The Niners announced today (Friday) that both QB Brock Purdy and DE Nick Bosa will not play in Green Bay on Sunday. Purdy has a sore shoulder, and Bosa has an oblique/hip injury. Bosa has been nursing his injury for a couple of weeks, but Purdy’s situation apparently developed over the past day or so. Brandon Allen will start at quarterback for the Niners. > **[Purdy, Bosa out for 49ers; Allen to start at QB](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/42549080/san-francisco-49ers-qb-brandon-allen-start-vs-packers-brock-purdy-injured)** > > The 49ers will start Brandon Allen at QB on Sunday against the Packers in place of an injured Brock Purdy, coach Kyle Shanahan said Friday. DE Nick Bosa also will miss the game with injuries to his left hip and oblique. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-12/1010463.md?page=5)