# NFL 2024-25: Week 13 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [November 26, 2024, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809 "2024-11-26T15:26:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/121 "2024-12-03T01:19:12Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Maybe I’m biased since I’m an Indianapolis fan (though I have been critical of Richardson’s abilities on this board), but I just don’t see anything fineworthy in that play. There was no flag thrown, so the officiating crew didn’t think it was egregious. Yeah, it doesn’t look egregious to me, either, but it seems like the NFL really wants to discourage leading with the head, and probably especially for quarterbacks (by far most team’s most important players, and which the league wants to try to protect). (FWIW, that fine is pretty much exactly 1% of Richardson’s 2024 guaranteed salary.) ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/122 "2024-12-03T01:47:15Z")
Egregious or not, it’s a textbook example of a foul. [https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/use-of-the-helmet](https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/use-of-the-helmet) If this doesn’t warrant a fine, then nothing does. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/123 "2024-12-03T02:29:27Z")
DT Kevin Givens to IR, too. Torn pectoral muscle. And the personal tragedies continue. Trent Williams’s son was stillborn, whose twin had died earlier in Sondra Williams’s pregnancy. Eff this season. I’d say start tanking, but the 49ers don’t have to do anything on purpose to finish 6-11. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/124 "2024-12-03T03:33:52Z")
The Browns keep bouncing back. They get a TD, we get one right back. Seems we have a good quarterback. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/125 "2024-12-03T03:41:37Z")
2 big bombs there-absolutely no idea how the Browns DB missed that (he may have barely tipped it tho). Then one of the worst blown coverages you’ll ever see on the Browns’ riposte. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/126 "2024-12-03T04:14:31Z")
This game is rather fun for a neutral to watch! ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/127 "2024-12-03T04:16:09Z")
Jeudy is having an unjustified revenge game but it’s kind of funny. I always thought it was a bit silly whenever the sports media calls a game where one guy plays against his former team a “revenge game”, like assuming there’s always some sort of bad blood there when there’s no reason to think so. But this seems to be an actual revenge game because they’re booing him and he’s living it up. As far as I know though he’s got no revenge narrative. He just sucked in Denver. It’s understandable they didn’t keep him. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/128 "2024-12-03T04:18:06Z")
I’m finding him a bit annoying, but 219 yards and a touchdown is a very good return, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/129 "2024-12-03T04:29:39Z")
Is it just me, or does Sean Payton look _way_ older than 60? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/130 "2024-12-03T04:38:47Z")
Two pick sixes is just too much for the Browns to overcome. They played pretty well tonight, but giving up 14 points to the Denver defense is a killer. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/131 "2024-12-03T04:40:12Z")
The archetypical Jameis Winston game. 6 TDs. 4 to his own team, 2 to the other. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/132 "2024-12-03T04:45:09Z")
What a crazy game ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/133 "2024-12-03T04:47:40Z")
This is the Jameis Winston I expected. An exciting, talented, fun QB who tosses out interceptions like he’s tossing Mardi Gras beads. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/134 "2024-12-03T04:50:01Z")
Almost 500 yards passing and 4 TDs is insane, but so is 3 INTs including 2 pick-6’s. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/135 "2024-12-03T05:24:35Z")
I hit on the interceptions (2+) but guessed a double figure defeat. Close. Were you not entertained? 900+ yds. of offense, plenty more (171 on interceptions by Denver) on defense. Beats 4 yards and a cloud of dust. ---
**Author:** ![Clawdio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/136 "2024-12-03T14:21:10Z")
Imagine what a wild season it would have been in Cleveland if they had just bit the bullet and benched Watson coming out of training camp. Not saying they’d be superbowl contenders, but it would’ve been a wild ride. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/137 "2024-12-03T14:30:51Z")
But now we can see the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/138 "2024-12-03T14:36:34Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > That’ll be a ~~paddlin~~ ’ suspension. Al-Shaair has been suspended for three games, per Adam Schefter. > ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/139 "2024-12-03T15:14:20Z")
[Week 14 thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-14/1011119) ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809/140 "2024-12-03T15:31:23Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Al-Shaair has been suspended for three games, per Adam Schefter. While I saw the hit and it was terrible, I’m not sure exactly how a defender is supposed to approach a running quarterback. I’ve seen QBs who look like they’re about to slide, only to make a cut and gain extra yards. If the defender gets low to hit the runner in the midsection, that winds up a hit to the head when they do slide. Are there any examples of perfect play against a running QB that doesn’t risk one or the other? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-13/1010809.md?page=8)