# NFL 2024-25: Week 15 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [December 10, 2024, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444 "2024-12-10T15:09:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/21 "2024-12-12T23:56:03Z")
Who are they playing… Oh, the Cowboys, okay that makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/22 "2024-12-13T00:52:34Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Ravens @ Giants (+15.5) > > Falcons @ Raiders (+4.5) The Jaguars won last week leaving a two-way tie between the Giants and Raiders at 2-11, but I think the Raiders hold the tiebreaker. This week looks to have a decent chance for the Giants to lose and Raiders to win. Too bad the 2025 QB class has no standouts. Even if the Giants get the first overall pick, what are they going to do at quarterback? Trade it for a mid-level veteran? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/23 "2024-12-13T01:01:58Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Even if the Giants get the first overall pick, what are they going to do at quarterback? Shedeur Sanders, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/24 "2024-12-13T01:19:42Z")
[PFF](https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2025-nfl-draft-rankings-quarterback) rates Sanders 3rd (as of last week). The first QB is #12 on their “big board”. 1. Jalen Milroe, Alabama 2. Cameron Ward, Miami (FL) 3. Shedeur Sanders, Colorado 4. Garrett Nussmeier, LSU 5. Drew Allar, Penn State ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/25 "2024-12-13T03:46:16Z")
4 1/2 minutes to go, and we may have a field goal only game in store. Rams had 44 points vs. the Bills but only 9 vs. the Niners… ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/26 "2024-12-13T03:57:35Z")
Annnd looks like 9-6 will indeed be the final score if the Rams are able to run the clock out. 12-6. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/27 "2024-12-13T10:56:49Z")
Just read this in an ESPN [article](https://www.espn.com/nfl/recap/_/gameId/401671818): > Four nights after winning the highest-scoring game of the NFL season, the Los Angeles Rams won the only game this year that didn’t have a touchdown. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/28 "2024-12-13T15:17:26Z")
Niners LB De’Vondre Campbell refused to enter last night’s game, when the team had suffered an injury to another linebacker, and wound up walking off the field. He’d started for them for most of the season, but had been replaced as a starter when Dre Greenlaw returned from an injury. Coach Kyle Shanahan was clearly angry in his post-game press conference, as were several of Campbell’s teammates, and it seems likely that he will be cut today. Meanwhile, the Dolphins have released Odell Beckham Jr. He had played in nine games, with nine receptions. > **[Niners scorn 'selfish' Campbell's refusal to play](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/42942978/niners-say-devondre-campbell-refusal-play-vs-rams-selfish)** > > Niners players blasted linebacker De'Vondre Campbell after Thursday's loss to the Rams, calling his refusal to enter the game for an injured Dre Greenlaw a "selfish decision." > **[OBJ released by Fins after appearing in 9 games](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/42947859/source-dolphins-release-veteran-wr-odell-beckham-jr)** > > The Dolphins released wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. on Friday, ending the veteran's tenure with the team four weeks before the end of the regular season. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/29 "2024-12-13T17:14:44Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Niners LB De’Vondre Campbell refused to enter last night’s game, when the team had suffered an injury to another linebacker, and wound up walking off the field Wow, what a way to torpedo your career. Good luck playing another snap in the NFL, dude. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/30 "2024-12-13T21:22:15Z")
I think that was the idea. Anyway… anybody have recommendations for draft research sites? I’d been years since I had the time or inclination to be a draftnik. ---
**Author:** ![RAWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71e660/32.png) [@RAWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RAWDuke)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/31 "2024-12-13T21:33:07Z")
The league frequently reviews plays after the games and will hand out fines or suspensions for illegal hits. They’ll even come out occasionally and admit that the on field officials got a call wrong. If they can do that after the fact, why can’t they do that at the time? ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/32 "2024-12-13T22:42:28Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > Normally, I would be against even more rules in a game that, as far as I’m concerned, is the most over officiated game on the planet. In this case, however and, after seeing several players getting their heads almost twisted off without even a single flag, I’m in favor of this one. The human neck is a terrible thing to break. LOL I’m generally in favor of improving officiating through video, so I support this change so long as the implementation is efficient. But I will note, facemasks (perhaps suprisingly) almost never seem to lead to injury. Necks are strong and helmets aren’t all that tight. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/33 "2024-12-13T22:47:17Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Sunday begins the Chefs’, Steelers’, Ravens’ and Texans’ 10 days of hell. They will all play on Sunday 12/15, Saturday 12/21 and Wednesday 12/25. Merry Christmas - the NFL is _totally_ concerned about player safety… The Bears play on 12/16 (MNF), 12/22 and 12/26 (TNF). Same effective schedule. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/34 "2024-12-13T23:29:59Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > But I will note, facemasks (perhaps suprisingly) almost never seem to lead to injury. They do but not in any way that you mean (so I agree with you). > **[Researchers Find Facemask Impacts are Leading Source of Higher Severity...](https://www.chop.edu/about/news-release/researchers-find-facemask-impacts-are-leading-source-of-higher-severity-impacts-in-professional-american-football)** > > Facemasks accounted for over half of the top 10% of head impacts experienced by players in the study, highlighting the importance of prioritizing new helmet designs They need to redesign that part of the helmet entirely, and maybe we won’t need to worry about such penalties in the future, because a better alternative to the standard facemask could involve something you can’t grab like the handle of a bucket. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/35 "2024-12-14T04:02:11Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > They do but not in any way that you mean (so I agree with you). It was shorthand for facemask fouls. One of the key issues with facemask design today is that they enmesh on collision. They don’t glance and slide. The grid and importantly the screws and fasteners act as catches. This makes the impact far more abrupt. And while not really related to concussions, those screws and clips cause most of the open cuts and hand/finger injures. Some of the newer helmets have the top of the facemask integrated into the shell which is a big improvement but a lot of work is still needed, and they need to stop grandfathering old helmets in. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/36 "2024-12-14T05:30:56Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > they need to stop grandfathering old helmets in. Amen to this. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/37 "2024-12-15T21:28:15Z")
In classic Dan Quinn fashion the Commanders stumbled toward the end, but at least they defended the 2-pt try. On to the Eagles! ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/38 "2024-12-16T00:16:12Z")
Why the hell did the Lions do an onside kick??? I can get behind going for it on 4th down so aggressively, but I just think attempting an onside kick when you just pulled to within 10 is stupid ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/39 "2024-12-16T01:02:30Z")
The way the Lions defense was playing, a regular kick would have just taken more time off the clock for the Bills to score. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444/40 "2024-12-16T01:10:23Z")
Taylor, on the Colts, drops the ball just before crossing the goal line for a fumble/touchback gifting the Broncos the ball. Part of the showboating epidemic in NFL and NCAA football. Maybe the ball gets extra heavy if you carry it too long??? A norrid game by both teams. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-2024-25-week-15/1011444.md?page=3)