# NFL coaching carousel 2019 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 28, 2019, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522 "2019-12-28T21:48:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/41 "2020-01-07T16:52:17Z")
[And the Giants hire Patriots Special Teams coordinator Joe Judge as head coach](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28440034/sources-giants-hire-patriots-joe-judge-head-coach). Wait, what? Who?! ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/42 "2020-01-07T17:15:56Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > [And the Giants hire Patriots Special Teams coordinator Joe Judge as head coach](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28440034/sources-giants-hire-patriots-joe-judge-head-coach). > > Wait, what? Who?! Wide Receiver Coach, not ST. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/43 "2020-01-07T17:20:28Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Wide Receiver Coach, not ST. He was both. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/44 "2020-01-07T17:52:07Z")
So the Panthers and Giants both made decisions before even interviewing Josh McDaniels, even though he was scheduled to talk with them. Does that mean everyone is convinced McDaniels is going to Cleveland, or is he just pure poison after his debacle with the Colts? ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/45 "2020-01-07T17:53:28Z")
Yeah, I don’t know everything about football but I generally know who’s in contention for head coaching slots. I’ve never heard of this Judge. Are we sure this wasn’t meant to be sent to the President to appoint him to a circuit court in New York? ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/46 "2020-01-07T17:57:34Z")
Joe Judge is 38 and never been an OC or DC. Only 8 years coaching in the NFL . Seems like a panic hire. Heads must be exploding in the NYC area. My brother told me the Maras , Giants owners are cheap. Sort of explains the hire. Rhule has 20 years of coaching but just 1 year in the NFL. Big risk. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/47 "2020-01-07T18:18:11Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Joe Judge is 38 and never been an OC or DC. Only 8 years coaching in the NFL . Seems like a panic hire. Heads must be exploding in the NYC area. > > My brother told me the Maras , Giants owners are cheap. Sort of explains the hire. > > Rhule has 20 years of coaching but just 1 year in the NFL. Big risk. Friend of mine is a Giants fan. He’s taking time off from ranting about politics to ranting about this hire. With all the Patriots games on TV and both he and I had never heard of the guy. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/48 "2020-01-07T18:46:41Z")
His family is probably saying Who? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/49 "2020-01-07T18:54:15Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > [And the Giants hire Patriots Special Teams coordinator Joe Judge as head coach](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28440034/sources-giants-hire-patriots-joe-judge-head-coach). > > Wait, what? Who?! Joe Judge, the coach our local Sports Radio guys were laughing about this morning. The coach they said “why are they bothering to interview this nobody” because the very idea of hiring him was too ridiculous to contemplate. OTOH, I hear that Rhule got 7 years and full control, which I don’t know I’d be in favor of giving him. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/50 "2020-01-07T19:38:45Z")
I guess they really wanted Rhule to give him full control. Sometimes obscure guys work out very well. I remember a guy with a very strange name who was unknown being hired in 1980 at Duke for BB. Everyone said who? He’s now a HOF coach and has won 5 national titles and won over 1000 games. Also just down the road at UNC Dean Smith was unknown, he is also a HOF coach and won 2 national titles. Of course those 2 guys are outliers. Many coaches are fired more than once in their career. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/51 "2020-01-07T20:26:41Z")
I think Rhule might do well. He ran NFL style teams in college and produced NFL quality talent, and vastly improved the teams he ran. Carolina has a new owner who wants to start over clean and right the ship, and Rhule seems perfect for it. And clearly he’s getting full support. We’ll see what happens. I think McDaniels is poison. He had problems right away when he was Denver’s head coach, when their QB at the time Jay Cutler said he couldn’t trust his new coach to be fair in a trade with New England, and so he backed out and got traded to Chicago instead. Brandon Marshall also didn’t like him, and got benched then traded from the team. Then he got in trouble for his own Spygate controversy; though he didn’t do the recording and refused to view it, he didn’t promptly report it and was fined then fired. He then went to the Rams as OC, did poorly there, and only lasted a year. And then there was the awfulness with Indy. He has clashed with people and done poorly everywhere outside of New England, and I think he gets these chances because of their success, but I have great doubts that they’re successful because of him. I think a cocker spaniel could be a successful OC of a team with Brady as QB and Belichick as HC. I think he’d be a foolish and disastrous head coach pick for any team. So he’s perfect for Cleveland. 😃 As for Judge, I suspect he “knows a guy…” ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/52 "2020-01-07T23:49:58Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > It would be better if Dan Snyder was out of ownership operations. The Washington Football Team doesn’t really register on my “I give a shit about this team” radar, but he has demolished everything that franchise once stood for. I couldn’t agree with this more. Dan Snyder is one of the few owners - if not the ONLY owner - in the league who I think is worse than Jerry Jones. Which is a shame 'cause it would be nice if the N.F.C. entry from Texas had more competition within its division, consistently, instead of a bunch of teams in that division making it look more formidable than it really is. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/53 "2020-01-08T00:29:23Z")
it’s hard to be a worse owner than Jones but Synder is worse. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/54 "2020-01-08T01:21:19Z")
Jimmy Haslam would like y’all to hold his beer. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/55 "2020-01-08T01:59:36Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > it’s hard to be a worse owner than Jones but Synder is worse. When Paul Allen died I was bummed, but now thinking about some of those still around makes me even sadder. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/56 "2020-01-08T03:26:05Z")
Is the Rooney Rule a thing anymore? Lots of super white dudes (and Ron Rivera) getting hired quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/57 "2020-01-08T06:46:31Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Is the Rooney Rule a thing anymore? Lots of super white dudes (and Ron Rivera) getting hired quickly. Absolutely. But the rule only mandates interviewing minorities, not hiring them. I’ve heard Hue Jackson was interviewed during this round of coaching changes (probably as a formality). ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/58 "2020-01-08T17:53:20Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Absolutely. But the rule only mandates interviewing minorities, not hiring them. I’ve heard Hue Jackson was interviewed during this round of coaching changes (probably as a formality). Marvin Lewis was interviewed for all of them. Lewis was wanting to have Hue on his staff, you’re the first I’ve seen say that Hue was interviewed for anything. The GM would be fired on the spot for suggesting it. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/59 "2020-01-08T17:55:31Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > it’s hard to be a worse owner than Jones but Synder is worse. Jones isn’t even in the bottom third. He’s a douche but he’s a very effective owner in lots of ways. Honestly, calling Jones a bad owner is one of the lamest talk radio hot takes. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/60 "2020-01-08T18:30:00Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Lewis was wanting to have Hue on his staff Wait, really? To be fair, I guess Jackson would make a fair OC, but I’d have thought Lewis would think twice after the last time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522.md?page=4)