# NFL coaching carousel 2019 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 28, 2019, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522 "2019-12-28T21:48:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/81 "2020-01-09T17:32:11Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Back that up. Seriously, what’s your argument? Because he stuck with Jason Garrett longer than the media thought he should? He was in the playoffs 3 of the last 6 seasons and won a game twice. They’ve got talent all over the place (which is why the underachievement of Garrett was a problem in the first place). > > Please, provide examples. In this century the Cowboys have 3 total playoff wins. That’s the same number of wins the Dolphins have had in that time period. They’re not the worst (the Lions, Bengals, Browns, and Bills have had no wins) but they’re near the bottom. I think it could be fair to say he’s not an awful owner, just an awful GM (as others have suggested), but as the owner he should fire and replace that GM which he refuses to do. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/82 "2020-01-09T18:34:32Z")
Mike McCarthy going to Dallas seems like a no brainer to me. Now he and Jerry Jones can get massages together. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/83 "2020-01-09T18:47:50Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > Mike McCarthy going to Dallas seems like a no brainer to me. Now he and Jerry Jones can get massages together. Now I need to get that out of my head. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/84 "2020-01-09T23:52:38Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > In this century the Cowboys have 3 total playoff wins. That’s the same number of wins the Dolphins have had in that time period. They’re not the worst (the Lions, Bengals, Browns, and Bills have had no wins) but they’re near the bottom. Or how 'bout this? Since that Texas-based team last won a S.B. every team in the N.F.C. has made it to at least a conference championship game aside from: that team from Washington (which, as I mentioned before, might have THE worst owner in the league), Detroit (which I think has made it to exactly ONE conference championship game since its last league title [which came back in the mid-'50s]), and. . .J.J.'s team. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/85 "2020-01-10T15:43:22Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > It’s still a thing. Predictably, it often just leads to tokenism. A brown-skinned coaching candidate shows up for the interview, knowing perfectly well the franchise isn’t going to consider him seriously but is just checking the box off the checklist. I believe this is 100% speculation on your part with nothing whatsoever to back it up. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/86 "2020-01-10T15:52:11Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > I believe this is 100% speculation on your part with nothing whatsoever to back it up. Even if it’s speculation, it’s not an uncommon opinion. > **[Is the Rooney Rule Working? NFL Criticized for Lack of Minority Hires](https://www.newsweek.com/rooney-rule-nfl-working-coaching-changes-1481245)** > > There are only four coaches from minority backgrounds in the NFL, with Ron Rivera the only one to be hired this year. > **[Rooney Rule wobbles as NFL's fetish for young, white coaches continues](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jan/08/rooney-rule-wobbles-as-nfls-fetish-for-young-white-coaches-continues)** > > What’s notable in 2020 is the dearth of minority candidates getting anything more than the league-mandated interview for head coaching vacancies > **[The N.F.L.’s Minority Head Coaching Ranks Are Thinning (Published 2019)](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/sports/nfl-minority-head-coaches.html)** > > Despite the Rooney Rule, enacted in 2003 to enhance opportunities for minority head coaches, white coaches have gotten nearly every job this year. > **[Only 3 Minority Head Coaches Remain In The NFL Ahead Of Post-Season Play](https://www.npr.org/2019/01/04/682350052/only-3-minority-head-coaches-remain-in-the-nfl-ahead-of-post-season-play)** > > Only three minority head coaches remain in the NFL, in a league that's nearly 70 percent African American. NPR's Audie Cornish talks with The Undefeated's Jason Reid about the NFL trending backwards when it comes to diversity. The fact is that minority coaching hires are very rare. There seemed to be an uptick following the rule 17 years ago but it cooled off. Many people suggest these interviews are formalities. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/87 "2020-01-10T16:50:05Z")
There have unquestionably been Rooney Rule interviews for teams that have had all but signed agreements with different coaches. Particularly when a highly desired experienced coach has already been interviewed. Not to say that there’s zero benefit from these box checking interviews, but the chances of being hired for that job are between slim and none. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/88 "2020-01-10T18:35:19Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Jones really sucks as a **GM**. Based on what? Have the Cowboys been talent poor over the last couple decades? Have they given out a lot of crippling contracts? It’s just a meme at this point. Jerry built the best offensive line in football. He found Dak in the middle rounds. Their defense is reliably good and he’s drafted a bunch of LBs that were undervalued prospects. He’s swung and missed on some high-profile guys and had his fair share of guys getting in trouble and prima donnas but he’s by no means unique there, and his head cases tended to be elite players. Conventional wisdom is that teams need a GM…buy Jerry is not even bottom half of GMs. I bet Giants fans and Redskins fans would give their left arms to have a GM as competent as Jerry has been. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/89 "2020-01-10T18:36:57Z")
Edit: Double post ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/90 "2020-01-10T19:20:46Z")
Little more data for you all. Sorry for the slide show, but I think this is relevant. [Ranking all 32 NFL teams by record in the 2010s decade](https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2019/12/30/ranking-all-32-nfl-teams-by-record-in-the-2010s-decade/) [The Cowboys are 11th.](https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2019/12/30/ranking-all-32-nfl-teams-by-record-in-the-2010s-decade/22/) You all have cherry picked a couple playoff win stats, and certainly everyone would agree that Jason Garrett’s ability to win when it counts is suspect, but when you factor in record, revenue and mindshare it’s honestly indefensible to argue that Jones _is one of the worst owners in the league_. It’s almost as indefensible to say that _he’s one of the worst GMs in the league_. Really his biggest failure as a GM is hiring and keeping Garrett as long as he did, besides that, the results are there. Save the haterade for Twitter. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/91 "2020-01-10T19:43:18Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Little more data for you all. > > Sorry for the slide show, but I think this is relevant. > > [Ranking all 32 NFL teams by record in the 2010s decade](https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2019/12/30/ranking-all-32-nfl-teams-by-record-in-the-2010s-decade/) > > [The Cowboys are 11th.](https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2019/12/30/ranking-all-32-nfl-teams-by-record-in-the-2010s-decade/22/) > > You all have cherry picked a couple playoff win stats, and certainly everyone would agree that Jason Garrett’s ability to win when it counts is suspect, but when you factor in record, revenue and mindshare it’s honestly indefensible to argue that Jones _is one of the worst owners in the league_. It’s almost as indefensible to say that _he’s one of the worst GMs in the league_. Really his biggest failure as a GM is hiring and keeping Garrett as long as he did, besides that, the results are there. > > Save the haterade for Twitter. And you cherry pick the last handful of years. I could use stats from 2017 and talk about how great the Jaguars were. The Cowboys had some great success but that was quite some time ago. Then they were awful and have clawed their way up to mediocre recently. Is Jones getting better? Maybe. The record for Dallas suggests as much. Maybe Garrett has been the problem, and McCarthy will take the talent in Dallas and take them far into the postseason next year. If that happens I’ll reevaluate Jerry as an owner and GM. But someone who takes the reins and refuses to relinquish them is going to have extra scrutiny and if the results aren’t great, it’s hard to see that person as much more than an egomaniac who isn’t letting a real expert do the job. ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/92 "2020-01-10T20:15:22Z")
I really don’t understand anybody who wants to give J.J. credit for anything. In case you’ve forgotten (or never knew about it in the first place) he fired Tom Landry in just about the least classy way anybody could’ve. Then he hired Jimmy Johnson and the 'pies promptly went **1 - 15** his first season. True, that team did win 3 S.B.s in 4 years shortly thereafter but why was that? To my mind it was mostly because the Minnesota Vikings were stupid enough to give up a boatload of both players and draft picks to that team from Texas all to acquire Herschel Walker which they apparently thought was the one missing “puzzle piece” for the Vikings to get to the S.B. And we all know how THAT turned out for them. But since being knocked out of the playoffs by the brand-new Carolina Panthers in 1996, what have the Cowpies done? Pretty much N-O-T-H-I-N-G of note. And for those of you giving credit to classless J.J. for his team’s revenue stream and whatnot - don’t. He deserves no credit for that because that’s just continuing a trend with that team that had been there LONG before J.J. owned the team. Giving him credit for that sort of thing is like touting “Dubya” and the current POTUS as “great” because they won more Electoral College votes. No - it’s because enough people were SNOWED by them to give them credit/votes when they deserved none. But, hey - keep it up, J.J.: your team’s streak of not making it past one game in the playoffs for nearly 25 years looks absolutely GREAT to me! ---
**Author:** ![Clawdio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/93 "2020-01-13T16:25:52Z")
Stefanski to the Browns is… interesting. Always got the impression here in MN, that they didn’t really trust him with the OC position and thats why the Vikings brought in Gary Kubiak as “Assistant Head Coach and Offensive Adviser”. So it was never really clear how much of the offense was Stefanski and how much was Kubiak. Especially since the offense was reportedly Kubiak’s system. Though I suppose this all speculation and we’ll probably never know how things were really run. Maybe the Browns feel he has the right skill set for head coaching, which I acknowledge isn’t necessarily the same skill set that makes a great coordinator. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522/94 "2020-01-13T21:42:31Z")
I am very amused about the last decade-and-a-half or sos growing transfer of responsibility from Head coach to OC and DC has effected things. The good organizations have, of course used it to great advantage. They are able to find people who an add to the organizational whole,and when they inevitably get hired away, they just bring in the next guy to add even more, without missing a step. And the crappy organizations ended up with just brought one more level of confusion, ineptitude, scapegoating, discontinuity and general clusterfuckitude. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2019/845522.md?page=4)