# NFL Coaching Carousel: 2022-2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [December 26, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134 "2022-12-26T19:21:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/21 "2023-01-04T01:52:16Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > The Raiders also lost a top draft pick due to a DUI Manslaughter charge against Henry Ruggs III Exactly; he was one of the ones I was referring to, about high draft choices from the Gruden/Mayock regime failing. From 2019-2021, the Raiders had six draft choices in the first round. They got a star in Josh Jacobs (2019), but of the rest, only one is still with the team (and apparently won’t be for much longer) - DE Clelin Ferrell (2019) is now a reserve, and has 9 sacks in four seasons; the Raiders have already announced they would not be picking up his option after this season - S Johnathan Abram (2019) was waived by the Raiders midway through this season; he’s now with the Seahawks, after briefly being with the Packers - WR Henry Ruggs (2020) was waived during the 2021 season, after the fatal DUI crash which you note - CB Damon Arnette (2020) was also waived during the 2021 season, after a video surfaced, showing him brandishing weapons and making death threats - OG Alex Leatherwood (2021) was waived during training camp this summer, and is now a backup with the Bears Edit: to be fair, in 2019, they did also draft DE Maxx Crosby (4th round) and WR Hunter Renfrow (5th round), so they did get some good players there. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/22 "2023-01-05T21:41:15Z")
I would be utterly flabbergasted if the Cardinals don’t fire Kliff Kingsbury. Kudos to him for making it one more year than I predicted when he was inexplicably hired, but a .438 winning percentage, only one playoff appearance (where his team was embarrassed), and a ton of disfunction throughout the team and coaching staff doesn’t make much of a resume for him. Of course the Arizona “braintrust” gave him a contract extension in March with a ton of guaranteed money, so he’ll be fine either way. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/23 "2023-01-05T21:50:40Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I’ve heard through the TwitterVine that Mike Tomlin may not be long for Pittsburgh … Not doubting you, but this would truly shock me. The Steelers play in a tough division and have started Mitch Trubisky and rookie Kenny Pickett at QB, yet are still in the playoff hunt heading into the final weekend. Tomlin has never had a losing season. IMO he’s one of the top 10 coaches in the the NFL. > [@Hamlet](#): > > I would be utterly flabbergasted if the Cardinals don’t fire Kliff Kingsbury. Me too. I’m actually surprised he’s lasted the season. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/24 "2023-01-05T23:13:28Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Tomlin has never had a losing season. IMO he’s one of the top 10 coaches in the the NFL. Agreed. When I think of the best coaches in the NFL he is near the top of my list. He has been consistently great. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/25 "2023-01-05T23:22:52Z")
Well, as I said, that was something I read about on Twitter, so consider the source. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/26 "2023-01-05T23:33:17Z")
Certainly his players are behind him: > **[Players Have Talked About Not Being Part Of Mike Tomlin's First Losing...](https://steelersdepot.com/2023/01/players-have-talked-about-not-being-part-of-mike-tomlins-first-losing-season-robert-spillane-says/)** > > While the Pittsburgh Steelers are still alive in the playoffs and are fighting for the seventh seed, they will need a little outside help to get in. However, there is one prized possession many players on the team are still fighting for. That would... Here is someone suggesting that Tomlin might be on the hot seat, but even he starts off by clarifying that he thinks Tomlin is a good coach: > **[Mike Tomlin must be on the Steelers hot seat at season close](https://stillcurtain.com/2023/01/02/mike-tomlin-steelers-hot-seat/)** > > The Steelers season is finishing up, and as Black Monday arrives, Mike Tomlin shouldn’t be sitting comfortably right now. The Steelers season has been an... I will also note that the story concludes that he is sure that the Steelers are **not** going to fire Tomlin. Maybe someone tweeted after reading the article headline and didn’t read the article? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/27 "2023-01-05T23:43:22Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I will also note that the story concludes that he is sure that the Steelers are **not** going to fire Tomlin. I concur. Not only has he been a great coach for them, and (as has been pointed out here already) they’ve been struggling to get consistency at QB with Big Ben’s retirement, but the Rooney family is legendarily patient with their coaches: they’ve only had three head coaches in the last 53 seasons, and the last time they fired a coach was after the 1968 season. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/28 "2023-01-05T23:48:59Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > … they’ve only had three head coaches in the last 53 seasons … This might be the most amazing team stat in American sports. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/29 "2023-01-05T23:59:57Z")
And, I messed up my math. **54** seasons:1969 through 2022, and counting. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2023, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/30 "2023-01-06T00:18:56Z")
I could see Tomlin there for another six years to make that an even 60. I don’t even like the Steelers but I’m rooting for him personally to keep the streak going this weekend to have never had a losing season. Go Steelers! ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2023, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/31 "2023-01-06T00:34:35Z")
Tomlin would probably be in my bottom 5 coaches who are on the hot seat. What a hilariously clickbaitey hot take from that clown. Playoff bubble in the first year after Big Ben retires. They have a rookie QB who is actually showing some encouraging signs for the future. Might be the first year ever he’s not in the playoffs under one of the most patient ownership regimes in the sport. Is also one of the few black HCs in the league. I mean, come on. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2023, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/32 "2023-01-06T00:39:20Z")
I understand the argument. I don’t disagree with any of the analysis there. I just suspect that any bad team who fires its HC could easily assemble a very similar list, in many cases probably worse. I honestly don’t think the current roster is that big a factor for a HC beyond the QB. In fact most coaches come in and purge the roster anyways. A barren roster with little money locked up in superstars might actually be an asset. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2023, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/33 "2023-01-06T00:48:34Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I don’t even like the Steelers but I’m rooting for him personally to keep the streak going this weekend to have never had a losing season. I _hate_ the Steelers, but I think Tomlin is okay. I’m sorry he has to suffer just because the team must lose. But lose they must. As many games as possible. Forever. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2023, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/34 "2023-01-06T00:54:20Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > In fact most coaches come in and purge the roster anyways. Generally, I’d agree, though if the team _does_ have a few high-talent players, the new coach would either (a) keep them if they’re a fit with the new system, or (b) trade them off for players who are perceived to be a better fit, or draft choices. The Raiders’ terrible track record over the past few years with their high draft choices seems to give them even less capital to work with for rebuilding. On the other hand, if those first-round draft choices hadn’t been so disastrous, they probably wouldn’t be a 6-10 team right now. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/35 "2023-01-09T04:12:21Z")
Lovie Smith out in Houston. > **[Lovie Smith fired, becomes Texans' second straight one-and-done head coach](https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/lovie-smith-fired-becomes-texans-second-straight-one-and-done-head-coach-040359869.html)** > > Smith is the second straight coach to last just one season with the Texans. If you count Romeo Crennel, the next coach the Texans hire will be their fifth in four seasons. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/36 "2023-01-09T04:29:58Z")
Honestly, the Texans have been so bad for so long I sometimes forget that they exist. 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/37 "2023-01-09T04:30:46Z")
And yet they didn’t lose to Indianapolis at all this season. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/38 "2023-01-09T05:03:06Z")
This wasn’t entirely unexpected. Jack Easterby is out, so it’s a good chance at a clean slate. Then again, I’m waiting to see if they try pulling that Josh McCown nonsense next season. The (lack of) brain trust over there is dumb enough to try, especially after what Indy tried to pull with Jeff Saturday. Lovie Smith was nobody’s idea of a top tier coach, but he did a great job with the cruddy hand he was dealt. The team outperformed expectations and were ready to play each week long after it was clear they had little left to play for. Classic story. You can’t fire the owners so you find the most convenient scapegoat down the chain. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/39 "2023-01-09T05:15:11Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Wilson is likely declining and a major primadonna but he’s still a guy that can win a lot of games with the right support. For that, you need a coach willing to stand up and tell Wilson the reality of his situation. He is not a drop-back 95% of the time QB. No new coach is willing to do that. Seattle was until they got tired of his BS. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134/40 "2023-01-09T05:30:09Z")
There are already plenty of coaches like that. But who is the team going to side with? The QB whose cap hit is 9 figures next year or a coach they can fire for literally a fraction of that price? There’s absolutely no incentive for Wilson to listen to anybody regarding his play style. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-2022-2023/977134.md?page=3)