# NFL Coaching carousel, who stays and who goes 2017 edition **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 29, 2017, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531 "2017-12-29T18:06:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/61 "2018-01-13T10:33:54Z")
Browns fire Hue. “lol Browns, how do they expect anyone to get anything done when they start over every two years?” Browns keep Hue. “Lol Browns, Hue is horrible, you’re such a joke” Seen it one way or the other every year. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/62 "2018-01-13T19:10:28Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Nope, Cable’s now gone. Rumor is he might go back to Oakland where he was once HC and work for Gruden. Just a rumor right now. No longer a rumor, Cable is reportedly the new o-line coach for Oakland. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/63 "2018-01-13T22:11:08Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Browns fire Hue. “lol Browns, how do they expect anyone to get anything done when they start over every two years?” > > Browns keep Hue. “Lol Browns, Hue is horrible, you’re such a joke” > > Seen it one way or the other every year. The difference is that Hue has shown to be a horrible coach for the Browns. 1-31 is plenty of proof to show the guy simply can’t make it in that organization. Granted, the rest of the team is pretty crappy too, but that all, eventually, falls on Haslam. Jackson’s quarterback roulette did nothing to help the team win. It’s one thing to pull the plug on a coach who’s only been around for a couple years. It’s another thing to pull the plug on a coach who appears to be actively tanking your team. ETA: Eliot Wolf has been signed as the Browns’ Assistant GM. John Dorsey, the new GM, worked in the front office of the Packers as head of college scouting and eventually director of football operations, before taking a GM position with the Chiefs. Wolf is young (36), but has grown up a scout. I see this as a temporary position to springboard him into a GM role elsewhere - he was interviewed by the Packers (where he’s worked his entire life) before they settled on Gutekunst. I wish him the best, and may God have mercy on his soul in Cleveland. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2018, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/64 "2018-01-14T04:10:08Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > ETA: Eliot Wolf has been signed as the Browns’ Assistant GM. John Dorsey, the new GM, worked in the front office of the Packers as head of college scouting and eventually director of football operations, before taking a GM position with the Chiefs. Wolf is young (36), but has grown up a scout. I see this as a temporary position to springboard him into a GM role elsewhere - he was interviewed by the Packers (where he’s worked his entire life) before they settled on Gutekunst. I wish him the best, and may God have mercy on his soul in Cleveland. He might learn some valuable lessons in what not to do as a GM which may serve him well in his career. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/65 "2018-01-15T15:15:39Z")
According to my CBS sports app, the Titans have parted ways with coach Mike Mularky. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/66 "2018-01-15T15:48:28Z")
So it’s most likely Shumer to Arizona, which leave Patricia for Giants or Lions and McDaniels for Colts or Titans. What’s the back up plan for those teams? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/67 "2018-01-15T16:04:01Z")
Prayer? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/68 "2018-01-22T19:39:17Z")
We’ll we’re just about wrapped up. Done: Cardinals - Steve Wilks Titans - Mike Vrabel Pending: Giants - Pat Shurmur Colts - Josh McDaniels Lions - Matt Patricia ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/69 "2018-01-23T19:43:56Z")
Haley hired as Browns OC. I’m cautiously optimistic here. I know Steelers fans blame anything bad on him, but 1) what do they know? and 2) his offenses are always very productive. Beats not having one, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/70 "2018-01-23T20:25:52Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I know Steelers fans blame anything bad on him, but 1) what do they know? Dunno why but that made me chuckle. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/71 "2018-01-23T20:35:20Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > We’ll we’re just about wrapped up. > Done: > Cardinals - Steve Wilks > Titans - Mike Vrabel > > Pending: > Giants - Pat Shurmur > Colts - Josh McDaniels > Lions - Matt Patricia I’m glad to see Vrabel getting a chance with the Titans. I loved him as a player in NE - very versatile, good football IQ, hard worker. I hope he has success. He seems to have rocketed up the coaching ladder quite rapidly. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/72 "2018-01-23T20:57:45Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Haley hired as Browns OC. I’m cautiously optimistic here. I know Steelers fans blame anything bad on him, but 1) what do they know? and 2) his offenses are always very productive. Beats not having one, at least. The only question is which QB will NOT be running sneaks for the Browns. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/73 "2018-02-07T00:53:10Z")
CBS’ sports app is reporting that Josh McDaniel has had a change of heart, and has rejected the Colts job to stay with New England. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/74 "2018-02-07T00:53:45Z")
Josh McDaniels screws over the Colts and decided to remain with the Patriots. I assume he’s banking on taking over from Hoodie relatively soon. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/75 "2018-02-07T01:57:52Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Josh McDaniels screws over the Colts and decided to remain with the Patriots. I assume he’s banking on taking over from Hoodie relatively soon. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I’m thinking after next year. Belichick has nothing to prove. Nothing left to do. And will soon have to rebuild the team with a new quarterback. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/76 "2018-02-07T12:44:54Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Josh McDaniels screws over the Colts and decided to remain with the Patriots. After hiring a bunch of assistants in Indy, too. Some speculation is that it’s all a plot to get back at 'em for that Deflategate bullshit, even though Polian and Pagano are already gone, but that’s just CT. The move screws all those assistants too, if the new HC doesn’t want them all. No idea what Indy does now, unless one of those assistants is close to ready for the head job. But I don’t care, either. 😉 > [@](#): > > I assume he’s banking on taking over from Hoodie relatively soon. That’s the obvious way to read McDaniels’ statements about deciding the Indy job just wasn’t the right thing to do. Kraft gave him a nice raise, too. The clincher will be if he’s named assistant HC in addition to OC. As for the new DC, either it’s linebackers coach Brian Flores moving up, or Bill’s old buddy Greg Schiano. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/77 "2018-02-07T13:29:53Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Josh McDaniels screws over the Colts and decided to remain with the Patriots. I assume he’s banking on taking over from Hoodie relatively soon. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk They should be happy in the big picture. He was a terrible head coach in Denver. I wouldn’t wish him on any team. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/78 "2018-02-07T13:51:26Z")
Some guys are crap in their first HC jobs, mainly from being too hard-assed, but they learn from their experience and do much better in their second jobs. Belichick himself is a good example. Plus, no coach is going to look good if he doesn’t have player talent to work with. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/79 "2018-02-07T14:21:42Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Some guys are crap in their first HC jobs, mainly from being too hard-assed, but they learn from their experience and do much better in their second jobs. Belichick himself is a good example. > > Plus, no coach is going to look good if he doesn’t have player talent to work with. This is true, on the other hand I’ve heard many comment that McDaniels has ridden the coattails of the real talent in New England, being gifted SB rings as participation trophies, and that there isn’t a lot to suggest that he’s improved since he failed before. The only thing that really bugs me is that there are assistant coaches already hired in Indianapolis with the idea of working under him. Those contracts are signed. So the Colts and whatever new coach they hire are stuck with them for at least a year under their new contracts. If their experiences, game philosophies, and personalities don’t mesh well with whoever gets hired then there’s nothing you can do about it. I see two lessons in this… Teams shouldn’t count their chickens before they’re hatched (that’s on the Colts) and you can’t really trust Josh McDaniels. I hope he has a good future with the Patriots because I’m not sure who would be too eager to invite him into their organization after this. (Maybe the Browns.) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531/80 "2018-02-07T15:55:04Z")
You could say he learned from the best. Belichick was head coach of the Jets _twice_, but only for a day or two each time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes-2017-edition/805531.md?page=5)