# NFL Coaching carousel, who stays and who goes? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 29, 2013, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430 "2013-12-29T20:01:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/21 "2013-12-30T20:08:46Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > Not only was the firing of Chudzinski kind of surprising, but the speed as well. The Browns were so passionately eager to move on that they couldn’t wait until Black Monday like all the other teams who were ready for new coaches? Mike Shanahan basically painted “FIRE ME” on Daniel Snyder’s house, and even he was given the extra day. I think Jay Glazer reported that Chud asked for a meeting with management Monday morning to campaign for his job. No idea if this is true or not, but clearly Chud knew this was coming and coming fast. The urgency with which the Browns acted (and ignoring the request for a conversation) either makes them look incredibly petty and unprofessional or decisive depending on your POV. I suppose if there’s something really bad happening behind the scenes and they HAD to move on, I can see how Chud leaking the request about asking for the meeting might force them to announce immediately. But if there isn’t anything more than a simple difference of opinion and/or disappointment in results I would personally think he deserves a chance to have the meeting. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/22 "2013-12-30T20:17:17Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > No, Shanahan is gone. The whole coaching staff is out, and just for good measure, the team fired deputy equipment manager Marcus Shanahan (no relation). > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Note to Dan Snyder: Sometimes the problem isn’t with _everyone else_ in your organization. > [@Marley23](#): > > He is the living embodiment of that saying- and the original ‘if everyone you meet is an asshole, _you’re_ the asshole’ version. Snyder is a D-bag, but in this one cause he’s not the guy that I’d be pointing fingers at. This mess is all Shanahan’s. The nepotism and megalomania got the best of him and there may be no worse GM in football than Shanny. I’m sure Snyder will say something stupid and of course he was the idiot who drank the Shanny Kool-aid to begin with, but this firing and the RG3 fiasco are not dings on his resume. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/23 "2013-12-30T20:56:47Z")
**Houston Texans** GM: Rick Smith - SAFE HC: Gary Kubiak - FIRED OC: Rick Dennison DC: Wade Phillips **Cleveland Browns** GM: Mike Lombardi - SAFE HC: Rob Chudzinski - FIRED OC: Norv Turner DC: Ray Horton **Washington Redskins** GM: Bruce Allen - SAFE HC: Mike Shanahan - FIRED OC: Kyle Shanahan - FIRED DC: Jim Haslett **Minnesota Vikings** GM: Rick Spielman HC: Leslie Frazier - FIRED **Detroit Lions** GM: Martin Mayhew - SAFE HC: Jim Schwartz - FIRED **Tampa Bay Buccaneers** GM: Mark Dominik - FIRED HC: Gary Schiano - FIRED **Tennessee Titans** GM: Ruston Webster HC: Mike Munchak **Miami Dolphins** GM: Jeff Ireland HC: Joe Philbin **Dallas Cowboys** GM: Jerry Jones - SAFE HC: Jason Garrett **Oakland Raiders** GM: Reggie McKenzie HC: Dennis Allen **New York Jets** GM: John Idzik - SAFE HC: Rex Ryan - SAFE **New York Giants** GM: Jerry Reese - SAFE HC: Tom Coughlin **Atlanta Falcons** GM: Thomas Dimitroff - SAFE HC: Mike Smith **Jacksonville Jaguars** GM: David Caldwell HC: Gus Bradley ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/24 "2013-12-30T21:05:42Z")
Rex Ryan is “safe”? Thank God! - signed, Patriots Fan ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/25 "2013-12-30T21:10:20Z")
How the hell is Bruce Allen safe? This is the same GM that torpedoed the Bucs’ Superbowl-winning roster and torpedoed the Redskins’ … not-winning-anything roster. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/26 "2013-12-30T21:17:19Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > How the hell is Bruce Allen safe? This is the same GM that torpedoed the Bucs’ Superbowl-winning roster and torpedoed the Redskins’ … not-winning-anything roster. In DC he wasn’t making the calls on players, that was Shanny. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/27 "2013-12-30T21:24:59Z")
Who knows if this is legit (or a done deal) but I said “Holy shit” when I read it: [Report: Lovie Smith has Jeff Tedford lined up as OC](http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/30/report-lovie-smith-has-jeff-tedford-lined-up-as-oc/) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/28 "2013-12-30T21:28:08Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > In DC he wasn’t making the calls on players, that was Shanny. Huh. I thought that Allen had been the Skins GM before Shanahan arrived, for some reason. > [@Omniscient](#): > > Who knows if this is legit (or a done deal) but I said “Holy shit” when I read it: > > [Report: Lovie Smith has Jeff Tedford lined up as OC](http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/30/report-lovie-smith-has-jeff-tedford-lined-up-as-oc/) Does Tedford have any NFL experience? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/29 "2013-12-30T21:32:08Z")
I’d like to see the Texans hire Mike Shanahan. He’s a proven winner that had his decisions second guessed at Washington. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/30 "2013-12-30T21:37:36Z")
The Texans already had a virtual clone of Shanahan (minus the overinflated ego) named Gary Kubiak. Don’t hold your breath. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/31 "2013-12-30T21:40:06Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Jim Schwartz is also gone. First rumors are they are looking at Whisenhunt. I don’t know all that much about him, but he has shown a good spark for offensive play calling at times. But can he bring the foot down and smash some nuts when it is required? ---
**Author:** ![DadWagonDriver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/edb3f5/32.png) [@DadWagonDriver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DadWagonDriver)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/32 "2013-12-31T00:14:17Z")
He took the Cards to the Super Bowl, but got run out of Arizona when he no longer had an NFL QB. I’d like to see Whiz coach the Lions. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2014, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/33 "2014-01-01T22:06:30Z")
> [@wmulax93](#): > > He took the Cards to the Super Bowl, but got run out of Arizona when he no longer had an NFL QB. I’d like to see Whiz coach the Lions. He still wouldn’t have an NFL QB, though. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2014, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/34 "2014-01-01T22:53:11Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Does Tedford have any NFL experience? No. [O’Brien to the Texans is coming into shape.](http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10224953/houston-texans-hire-bill-obrien-penn-state-nittany-lions) I was really entertained the other day by [this story](http://mmqb.si.com/2013/12/26/bill-obrien-penn-state-nfl/?eref=sihp). It’s a pretty typical puff piece about O’Brien and how much he loves the Happy Valley area, loves the community, and could very well stay at Penn State! And you know he’s committed to PSU because he signed a contract! The same day [a different SI piece](http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20131226/black-monday-primer-coaches-gms-2013/?eref=sihp#all) said in no uncertain terms “Make no mistake, O’Brien has made it clear to those around him he wants back into the NFL and he’s ready to leave the Nittany Lions right now.” He has every right to handle his career how he wants, but what a bunch of baloney from Sports Illustrated. Elsewhere, [the Dolphins might get rid of Mike Sherman and/or Jeff Ireland.](http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10226184/miami-dolphins-owner-stephen-ross-mulling-changes) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2014, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/35 "2014-01-01T23:03:42Z")
Too bad I didn’t come across this link first: [Texans will have a press conference introducing O’Brien tomorrow](http://nfl.si.com/2013/12/31/bill-obrien-to-be-named-texans-new-head-coach/?eref=sihp). ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2014, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/36 "2014-01-02T03:52:59Z")
[The Bucs are hiring Lovie Smith, who will bring in Tedford as his offensive coordinator and Rod Marinelli as defensive coordinator.](http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10229285/lovie-smith-tampa-bay-buccaneers-reach-agreement) ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2014, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/37 "2014-01-02T08:54:42Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > [The Bucs are hiring Lovie Smith, who will bring in Tedford as his offensive coordinator and Rod Marinelli as defensive coordinator.](http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10229285/lovie-smith-tampa-bay-buccaneers-reach-agreement) I think this will be a good hire for the Bucs. They are a pretty talented group and the defensive personnel fit the Lovie version of the Tampa 2. Lovie couldn’t recognize a QB if his life depended on it, so the Tedford move makes great sense on paper. The scary thing is the no-GM comment. When it comes to talent evaluation, self scouting and player development Lovie is an unmitigated disaster. Bucs fans had better hope there’s a GM or a player personnel guy coming in with great chops who Lovie will listen to. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2014, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/38 "2014-01-02T14:27:12Z")
The Glazers have been pretty set on keeping the GM and coach roles separate since the even less mitigated disaster of having Jon Gruden run everything. I am thrilled about the Lovie hire, but I’m not entirely sure he is a good fit. For one thing, we are paying Darelle Revis $16 million a year, which just isn’t necessary in a Cover 2 scheme. Having said that, Revis played just as well in a zone this season as he did in man-to-man earlier in his career, so maybe they’ll implement a modified scheme where he switches sides with the opponent’s best receiver or something. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2014, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/39 "2014-01-04T23:21:09Z")
[Munchak out in Tennesssee](http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10242606/mike-munchak-fired-tennessee-titans) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/40 "2014-01-06T17:50:06Z")
Tampa Bay decided to go with Leslie Frazier instead of Rod Marinelli as DC. It’s being reported that Ken Whisenhunt is the favorite for the Detroit job. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430.md?page=3)