# NFL Coaching carousel, who stays and who goes?

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**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [December 29, 2013, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430 "2013-12-29T20:01:29Z")\
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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/141 "2014-02-11T18:46:50Z")

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The Texans were also “a quarterback away”. The number of Pro Bowlers on a team doesn’t tell you anything about how good the team is. Ask _anyone_ what they thought the Browns’ chances were before the season and they’ll laugh.

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**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\
**Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/142 "2014-02-11T19:18:15Z")

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So the Browns have been 4-12 or 5-11 for 6 seasons now. Have they overachieved each season, since they were destined to be once-in-a-decade-bad 1-15 teams, or were they more talented in the previous 5 years compared to the last one?

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**Author:** ![Ennui](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ennui/32/3396_2.png) [@Ennui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ennui)\
**Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/677430/143 "2014-02-11T21:25:27Z")

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**Two Stooges Down**

I remember an interview on a Cleveland sports talk radio show soon after word came that Jimmy Haslam was buying the team, they were talking to one of the Eagle’s beat reporters to get some background on Joe Banner. Great business guy who should not be involved with personnel decisions was the upshot. But he was involved in them in Cleveland.

I hated them bringing Mike Lombardy in, much of the “positive vibe” the new ownership group brought with it died out when the hire was announced. Banner wanted to be involved in personnel matters and that limited the teams options in landing a GM so we got stuck we a guy no one else in the league wanted.

Twice in two years Banner and Lombardy failed to land their first, second or even third choice for head coach. Looks like that may have been enough to get a light bulb to go on in Jimmy’s head and he kicked Larry and Curly to the curb.

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