# NFL Coaching carousel, who stays and who goes? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 1, 2016, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921 "2016-01-01T17:41:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/41 "2016-01-13T08:39:01Z")
Browns completed a second interview with Hue Jackson which is a positive sign. Anyone have any opinions about him? I don’t know enough about him. But I do like that they’ve got a shot at a candidate that seems in demand, rather than having to hire a “who the fuck is that?” 9th choice. But they didn’t make him an offer apparently, which isn’t a good sign. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/42 "2016-01-13T18:26:49Z")
Browns land Hue. The funny thing is that I have no faith in their ability to hire Hue, but the fact that the Giants seemed to be targeting him makes me think maybe he’s decent. In any case, getting him early on and giving them a shot at good coordinators is really nice over waiting until after the superbowl to grab your coaches. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/43 "2016-01-13T19:09:54Z")
Hue Jackson’s had an impressive career as an assistant coach. He went 8-8 with a truly horrific Raiders team in his one season as a HC. He’s probably better than most of the other options currently available. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/44 "2016-01-13T19:11:40Z")
His name always sounds to me like it should be Huge Action. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/45 "2016-01-13T19:45:40Z")
Hue Jackson is the best possible coach the Browns could have landed. Frankly, I can’t believe he took the job. I thought for sure they’d be forced to hire some jabrone I never heard of before. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/46 "2016-01-14T00:08:42Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Hue Jackson is the best possible coach the Browns could have landed. Frankly, I can’t believe he took the job. I thought for sure they’d be forced to hire some jabrone I never heard of before. Story going around is that, during interviews, Jackson said he wouldn’t take the job if he’d be required to play Johnny Manziel. And, rumor has it, he was told essentially, “No problem- we’re finished with that loser.” ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/47 "2016-01-14T01:13:34Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > Hue Jackson’s had an impressive career as an assistant coach. He went 8-8 with a truly horrific Raiders team in his one season as a HC. He’s probably better than most of the other options currently available. It’s a very similar resume to Belichick and Shanahan (and probably a lot of guys who washed out of their second job as well). ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/48 "2016-01-14T13:53:05Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Story going around is that, during interviews, Jackson said he wouldn’t take the job if he’d be required to play Johnny Manziel. > > And, rumor has it, he was told essentially, “No problem- we’re finished with that loser.” Yes, I had read that Jackson recommended they move on from Johnny “Billy” Manziel. Can’t believe anyone would trade for him. And honestly, I don’t even care. Just cut bait and draft another QB. Jackson did pretty well with Dalton so hopefully he can work some magic with Austin Davis or rookie QB. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/49 "2016-01-14T18:37:35Z")
Chip Kelly now HC of the Niners. Interesting move. That team needs a ton of work rebuilding, and Kelly has demonstrated that he’s not great at that aspect. I kinda feel like this is a set up for another failure, as opposed to going to a team that has talent but not strong coaching. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/50 "2016-01-14T19:22:00Z")
Kelly has demonstrated that he’s not great at being a GM. As long as he stays away from that side of things, I think he has a chance to do well with SF. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/51 "2016-01-14T19:40:18Z")
Trent Baalke do has complete roster control in San Francisco, and his staff includes Tom Gamble, who Kelly worked well with in Philadelphia. It’s an interesting mix of football philosophies, but I’ve never seen an offense as bad as the 2015 49ers, so this is definitely an upgrade. I wonder if Chip will keep DC Eric Mangini. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/52 "2016-01-14T20:19:48Z")
Thank goodness Kelly ends up in San Francisco, because if he had ended up coaching the Giants I might have had to stop watching football. Regarding Manziel: the Browns treatment of this guy continues to be utterly mystifying, at least to me. First of all, I don’t know how you can conclude from a half season total of just about exactly league average performance that he can’t play in the NFL, such that you’re willing to just sink a first round draft pick. But even if you have decided to move on, _why make it so obvious_? You’re utterly torpedoing your own leverage when it comes to trying to trade him. Other teams don’t want to offer you anything because you’ve made it clear you’re going to cut him if you can’t trade him so why give up anything of value? It just seems weird and petty and self-destructive… but I guess that’s the Browns. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/53 "2016-01-14T21:23:39Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Thank goodness Kelly ends up in San Francisco, because if he had ended up coaching the Giants I might have had to stop watching football. > > Regarding Manziel: the Browns treatment of this guy continues to be utterly mystifying, at least to me. First of all, I don’t know how you can conclude from a half season total of just about exactly league average performance that he can’t play in the NFL, such that you’re willing to just sink a first round draft pick. > > But even if you have decided to move on, _why make it so obvious_? You’re utterly torpedoing your own leverage when it comes to trying to trade him. Other teams don’t want to offer you anything because you’ve made it clear you’re going to cut him if you can’t trade him so why give up anything of value? It just seems weird and petty and self-destructive… but I guess that’s the Browns. I think that no other teams except possibly Dallas would even consider picking up Manziel, much less trading something of value for him. I’m guessing that Jerry Jones will probably try to acquire him. Whether or not that will end up working out is a big mystery. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/54 "2016-01-14T23:12:47Z")
Doug Pederson goes to the Eagles and Dirk Koetter gets promoted at the Bucs. Any teams left Head Coachless now? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/55 "2016-01-15T02:14:10Z")
Not sure if previously mentioned, but Jints promote McAdoo. ---
**Author:** ![russian\_heel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@russian\_heel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/russian_heel)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/56 "2016-01-15T07:03:25Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Chip Kelly now HC of the Niners. Interesting move. That team needs a ton of work rebuilding, and Kelly has demonstrated that he’s not great at that aspect. I kinda feel like this is a set up for another failure, as opposed to going to a team that has talent but not strong coaching. As an Eagles fan I am warning Niners fans, you won’t find a bigger asshole in the NFL than Chip Kelly. I give it two years before he burns down your franchise. Mark my words. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/57 "2016-01-15T12:27:08Z")
I don’t know if you noticed, but the Niners were burned to the ground already. When Yo Gabba Gabbert is your best option at quarterback you have nowhere to go but up. Kelly will succeed simply on the basis of diminished expectations, at least for a few years. ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/58 "2016-01-15T15:03:41Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > As an Eagles fan I am warning Niners fans, you won’t find a bigger asshole in the NFL than Chip Kelly. Did he also cheer when opposing players got hurt? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/59 "2016-01-15T15:54:55Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Inevitable but unfortunate. I was worried the guy was just a beneficiary of Peyton last time around, but he turned out to be pretty legit. Very good leader, I kind of feel bad for him because the leadership team in Miami is utterly dysfunctional and incompetent. He’s going to be swimming upstream down there. > > Hopefully Fangio stays and Loggains can pick up where Gase left off. I admit to not wanting to punish myself by watching Bears games, but I don’t get why the Bears’ season would instill more confidence in Gase. The Bears went 6-10, were the 23rd ranked scoring offense, 21st in yardage, and 23rd in passing yardage, which is pretty darn close to their ranks last year. He didn’t have to deal with Brandon Marshall, although Alshon Jeffrey seemingly isn’t very pleased, so I’m not sure about the “leadership” aspect. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921/60 "2016-01-21T01:02:02Z")
Browns hired Ray Horton as DC. Bad move. They need one of those ex-HC types who’s been a proven DC before to really take control of that defense and whip them into shape. Ray Horton is not very good. They hired Al Saunders and Pep Hamilton as some sort of offensive assistants. Maybe sort of psuedo-OC positions. That’s more promising. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-coaching-carousel-who-stays-and-who-goes/741921.md?page=4)