# NFL Draft 2012 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 13, 2012, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666 "2012-04-13T15:35:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/41 "2012-04-26T23:05:51Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Just read an article where Jim Brown disses Richardson as, “ordinary.” I don’t see any reason to value his opinion as much as Mel Kiper, Mike Mayock, etc. Being a great player 40 years ago does not make one a skilled talent evaluator; it’s a completely different skillset. See the Charlotte Bobcats for more information on this. AFAICT, Brown has never put in time developing scouting skills, etc., and usually likes guys or doesn’t depending on whether he knows them personally. ---
**Author:** ![Ennui](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ennui/32/3396_2.png) [@Ennui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ennui)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/42 "2012-04-26T23:14:25Z")
Unconfirmed but it’s looking like the Browns paid a third rnd pick to move up. Not thrilled but Welcome to Cleveland Trent Richardson. Newest report, a 4th, 5th and 7th. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/43 "2012-04-26T23:14:30Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Agreed, I’m ready to put QB off for next year, because overdrafting a QB doesn’t make them great. Not much point for Tannehill or Weeden unless they fall pretty far and become worth a gamble without much of a commitment. Exactly so, and the thing of it is, if the defense is OK and Richardson is a stud, they could win 5-7 games even with a bad QB; and if they don’t have extra picks next year, they may be sitting at 8 or 10 and not be able to take the best QB. ---
**Author:** ![President\_Johnny\_Gentle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f9b8f/32.png) [@President\_Johnny\_Gentle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/President_Johnny_Gentle)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/44 "2012-04-26T23:16:13Z")
> [@Ennui](#): > > Unconfirmed but it’s looking like the Browns paid a third rnd pick to move up. Not thrilled but Welcome to Cleveland Trent Richardson. ESPN reporting Browns give 4th + 5th + 7th to move up one spot. Other sources say that another Vikings trade down is likely. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/45 "2012-04-26T23:21:40Z")
A RB at number 3? Dumb. (Just my opinion of course) ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/46 "2012-04-26T23:25:11Z")
Now all the mocks are is disarray! Oh noes! ---
**Author:** ![Ennui](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ennui/32/3396_2.png) [@Ennui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ennui)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/47 "2012-04-26T23:26:40Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > A RB at number 3? Dumb. (Just my opinion of course) I tend to agree but there is a counter argument. Richardson ~should~ provide the greatest and most immediate impact of any offensive player (left) in the draft. I don’t hate the pick and I’m glad we didn’t give up a 3rd round pick, we have extra low round picks this year and we parted with some. I just wonder how much the Browns got fished on them even needing to trade up in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/48 "2012-04-26T23:26:51Z")
Well, the Browns have a shitload of picks, so 4th, 5th, and 7th isn’t terrible, but… meh. Unnecesary. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/49 "2012-04-26T23:30:08Z")
> [@Ennui](#): > > I tend to agree but there is a counter argument. Richardson ~should~ provide the greatest and most immediate impact of any offensive player (left) in the draft. I don’t hate the pick and I’m glad we didn’t give up a 3rd round pick, we have extra low round picks this year and we parted with some. I just wonder how much the Browns got fished on them even needing to trade up in the first place. I’d probably take Blackmon over him, but I may be the most anti-RB guy here. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/50 "2012-04-26T23:31:50Z")
I’m confused. Can anyone explain why that was necessary? Were they afraid someone else was going to make that trade with Minnesota and take Richardson? I know the Vikes have been shopping around, but I don’t see why the Browns needed to move up. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/51 "2012-04-26T23:35:57Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > I’m confused. Can anyone explain why that was necessary? Were they afraid someone else was going to make that trade with Minnesota and take Richardson? Most likely. There was talk of several other teams being interested in Richardson. If someone like, say, Tampa jumped ahead of them, Cleveland would be left holding the bag. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/52 "2012-04-26T23:36:11Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > I’m confused. Can anyone explain why that was necessary? Were they afraid someone else was going to make that trade with Minnesota and take Richardson? I know the Vikes have been shopping around, but I don’t see why the Browns needed to move up. Buccaneers, maybe? Vikes still get their man (whoever it is) so it is a very good trade for them. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/53 "2012-04-26T23:37:58Z")
Yay almost to the fun part. Who are we going to get to see in the sad room, sliding down, down down. Of course it’s no longer so many millions lost per slot, but still a kick in the nuts to pride. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/54 "2012-04-26T23:43:14Z")
There were rumors about the Bucs and Vikes being in negotiations for the pick but I think it was mostly stirred up by the Vikes GM. I think the Browns probably gave away picks for nothing. But I guess the fact that the Vikes could drop to 5 and still get Kahlil means there was no downside and they wouldn’t have to take that much, so maybe a deal would’ve happened. ---
**Author:** ![Ennui](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ennui/32/3396_2.png) [@Ennui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ennui)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/55 "2012-04-26T23:55:35Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > I’d probably take Blackmon over him, but I may be the most anti-RB guy here. Perhaps, but I’m far more comfortable with Colt McCoy’s ability to hand off than I am with him actually throwing the ball. Advantage Running Back. I hope, I really really hope someone other than us was making the Vikings a credible offer for the pick. Cause otherwise we just got played. Hey, Trent Richardson could make the Brown’s offense one dimensional. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/56 "2012-04-26T23:56:57Z")
Browns board in full meltdown, which is funny already. I don’t think most fanbases freak out about giving away 4th round and later picks but it’s full blown FIRE EVERYONE!!! mode. I think most fanbases would be mostly excited that they’ll get the guy they wanted. Should I secretly hope they take Tannehill so that heads explode? Edit: Actually, originally ESPN said it’d be a “third pick” rather than “three picks” so people were flipping out when they thought it was the third rounder. Not so upset about 4+5+7 sounds like. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/57 "2012-04-26T23:59:09Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I think most fanbases would be mostly excited that they’ll get the guy they wanted. Yeah, except Washington gets him. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/58 "2012-04-27T00:03:07Z")
Well, we swallowed that load a while ago. I hope the 4th and 5ths are the late compensatory picks, then I don’t really care at all. Probably worth it, since Richardson gives us a chance of losing game 20 to 13 instead of the 13 to 3 Claiborne gets us. Slightly more exciting. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/59 "2012-04-27T00:04:04Z")
Here we GO! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666/60 "2012-04-27T00:05:11Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Well, we swallowed that load a while ago. > > I hope the 4th and 5ths are the late compensatory picks, then I don’t really care at all. Probably worth it, since Richardson gives us a chance of losing game 20 to 13 instead of the 13 to 3 Claiborne gets us. Slightly more exciting. Teams can’t trade compensatory picks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2012/618666.md?page=4)