# NFL Draft 2013 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234 "2013-04-09T16:07:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/281 "2013-04-26T16:29:39Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > He didn’t quit, though. He didn’t take his ball and go home. He just declined to make a public spectacle of his own embarassment. I reject the idea that this situation, or Smith’s response to it, is in any way indicative of adversity at all, let alone his potential response to it. I’m not saying I’ve decided he’s a quitter and thus he will never succeed in the NFL. But I do think going away when things aren’t going your way is a sign of character. This one incident wouldn’t put me off him (I still think he’s worth a mid second round pick), but if there were any other questions about his character or resilience (which there are) this would certainly add to him. And it looks like his agent and advisors think like I do, because apparently he’s now decided to stick around for the second round of the draft. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/282 "2013-04-26T16:31:11Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > How a guy comports himself with the media or under pressure of the draft is an indication of the kind of character a guy has. For instance, Bill Belichick and Bill Parcells despise dealing with the media. You can see how much that hurt them. > [@](#): > > If they were invited and accepted, yes they should. If they committed to being there, yes they should. They committed to being there on opening night. I don’t think they committed to anything else and I see no indication the NFL has some kind of problem with them not being there. The last time this happened, the NFL actually arranged to get the player (Brady Quinn) out of the freaking green room because they didn’t want him to be embarrassed any further. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/283 "2013-04-26T16:37:13Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > For instance, Bill Belichick and Bill Parcells despise dealing with the media. You can see how much that hurt them. If Geno didn’t show up at all because he didn’t want the media, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. That’s up to him. But he showed up when he thought things were going his way, and when he didn’t, he left. > [@Marley23](#): > > They committed to being there on opening night. I don’t think they committed to anything else and I see no indication the NFL has some kind of problem with them not being there. The last time this happened, the NFL actually arranged to get the player (Brady Quinn) out of the freaking green room because they didn’t want him to be embarrassed any further. He’s apparently coming back, so it’s all kinda moot. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/284 "2013-04-26T16:45:30Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > He’s apparently coming back, so it’s all kinda moot. He got browbeaten into coming back. Obviously, I wouldn’t want such a weak-willed, indecisive quarterback on MY team. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/285 "2013-04-26T16:48:37Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > But he showed up when he thought things were going his way, and when he didn’t, he left. He’d get plenty of media whether he was in the green room or not. And this was about going back to the green room, not leaving. > [@](#): > > He’s apparently coming back, so it’s all kinda moot. So that proves the guy who busted his ass to become a professional football player can handle adversity after all, right? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/286 "2013-04-26T17:00:55Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > So that proves the guy who busted his ass to become a professional football player can handle adversity after all, right? It’s just another piece of the puzzle. These NFL prospects don’t come with “can handle pressure”, “never changes his mind”, “reacts like a child if things don’t go his way” come stamped on their forehead. NFL teams spend a great deal of time and money trying to decide on not just the physical skills, but also the mental makeup of their potential players. And in deciding what kind of intangibles a guy has, those teams interview his coaches and friends, interview the guy, go through disciplinary actions, and a whole host of other information, including how the guy comports himself in the media and how he reacts to things not going his way. Which was something his agents, and himself, likely realized after the fact, so he’s coming back. ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/287 "2013-04-26T17:03:32Z")
The best way to handle the Green Room is to say screw it, I’m going fishing, like Browns’ tackle Joe Thomas did. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/288 "2013-04-26T17:04:40Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Which was something his agents, and himself, likely realized after the fact, so he’s coming back. Probably true, and in that sense this may have been the smart move. But let’s not kid ourselves, a lot of this evaluation process is a crapshoot. > [@zamboniracer](#): > > The best way to handle the Green Room is to say screw it, I’m going fishing, like Browns’ tackle Joe Thomas did. That’s what they should all do. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/289 "2013-04-26T17:08:56Z")
And hey, if Smith’s career turns out even half as good as Brady Quinn’s, none of this will matter. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/290 "2013-04-26T17:12:19Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Probably true, and in that sense this may have been the smart move. But let’s not kid ourselves, a lot of this evaluation process is a crapshoot. And it’s a double, if not triple crapshoot, when done by an idiot like myself on a message board. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/291 "2013-04-26T18:08:12Z")
I don’t know about you, buy _ **my** _ prospect evaluations are 100% spot-on. Always have been. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/292 "2013-04-26T18:11:10Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Yet you have a crush on Dion Jordan, who produced 14.5 sacks in 4 years. Covered above, twice. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/293 "2013-04-26T18:19:18Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > Somewhat on-topic: [Criminal Records and the Labor Market for Professional Athletes: The Case of the National Football League](http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2060317). Basically, some guy’s senior thesis at [Hamilton College](http://www.hamilton.edu/index.cfm), analyzing if being suspended by your school, or having a criminal record, affects an NFL draftee’s future football performance. He looked at draftees from the 2005 to 2009 drafts. > > Cliffs: > > Anyway, I thought it was interesting, and worth sharing with you all. Wanted to quote this because I had thought of a question this addresses: If I were a GM/owner, this is how I would create my board: Rank the top 20 (or 50, whatever) players at each position, and drop them based on this formula: 1 RD-Trouble with team/university Off board-Trouble with LO TBH, I’m surprised my policy seems to be ass-backward. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/294 "2013-04-26T18:24:01Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > If I were a GM/owner, this is how I would create my board: > > Rank the top 20 (or 50, whatever) players at each position, and drop them based on this formula: > > 1 RD-Trouble with team/university > Off board-Trouble with LO That sounds nice, but I think if your job depended on drafting well you would be much more careful and you’d be using university/legal trouble as just one element among many in evaluating a prospect. I’m not going to download that paper right now, but I do wonder if the author used any finer gradations in his analysis. It’s one thing to say “trouble” had no overall effect, but does he determine if (say) spousal abuse and robbery had an effect while smoking pot or breaking minor team rules didn’t? ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/295 "2013-04-26T18:33:35Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Covered above, twice. In very vague terms, yes. But if Mingo was double teamed a lot, or given defensive assignments by his coaches that effectively nullified him on plays, that says nothing about Mingo. Not to mention that none of these front 7 guys that got drafted yesterday tore it up in college. Jarvis Jones stuffed the stat sheet for two seasons, yet he went in the middle of the 1st round, and everyone agreed beforehand that that’s where he belonged, so how important is a gaudy sack total anyway? At least half of them come against cupcakes. I liked the Mingo pick. It says we’re going to be coming after your quarterback. He’s strong and athletic, and he was a key part of a good college defense. Good enough for me. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/296 "2013-04-26T18:39:24Z")
Feels like Kam Wimbley 2.0 to me. Not totally useless but won’t live up to #6. The Browns say they had a trade down offer on the table but picked Mingo anyway. I have to wonder who else was going after him - seems like the Browns could’ve traded down into the mid teens and still snagged him. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/297 "2013-04-26T18:42:29Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > … > There’s an NFL Network camera up high, next to the giant screen at the 49ers street party. I wonder if he’ll get tipped about a 49ers trade so he can get footage of the crowd reaction. I was totally right about this. I kept an eye on the guy and at 18 he jumped up and started panning around. Moments later, 49ers radio play-by-play voice Ted Robinson popped up on stage to announce the trade. The NFL Network cut to a shot of our party and I was in the shot :D. I got on TV! I went over to Draft Breakdown to watch some more tape on Eric Reid. Plenty good, some bad. I’m cautiously optimistic. I think he’ll be a coverage upgrade over Goldson, but he doesn’t rocket into runners as skillfully as Goldson did. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/298 "2013-04-26T18:53:41Z")
> [@Cumbrian](#): > > I think most Cards fans are aware of this. Looks like a total need pick. Still, I’ve got to be honest, I didn’t really like any of the other viable options (most of the players I liked were the DTs and, to be honest, Arizona looks OK there and looks horrible on the O-Line). I said prior to the draft (I think - I was certainly thinking it) that the Cards were in a pretty bad position - wanting to trade down but with not much in the way of talent worth the 7th pick likely to be on the board, they were probably going to wind up holding the baby. I’m not going to kill them for this. They need to get someone to rush the passer now and someone to play safety - if they fail at that, then I’ll be ready to get the knives out. I think Dee Milliner, Star Lotulelei, Shariff Floyd, and Kenny Vaccaro would have made better choices. Guard simply isn’t that big a priority while guys who can cover, guys who can either rush the passer or eat up blocks, and safeties are more important. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/299 "2013-04-26T18:54:05Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Rookies are usually the lowest paid players on a team and draft picks are important for that fact if nothing else. “Shedding” draft picks to save salary cap is just plain silly. That is only if you have the cap room to sign them. STL had $256,000 in remainng cap room and restructured Chris Long to free up $4.5 mil. The 49ers are in the same boat. They had 15 picks and would not have the cap space to sign all 15, ergo they need to either drop some or trade them lower so that the per pick cap cost is smaller. The talking heads were even discussing this situation when SF made its trade. The other option is to cut veterans to make room for unproven rookies and eating up more cap space later with dead money. If you have people in place that you are happy with, shedding picks to save from having to sign players you don’t have money for does make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234/300 "2013-04-26T18:57:23Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > The NFL Network cut to a shot of our party and I was in the shot :D. I got on TV! You were the devilishly handsome, very well built, and intelligent one who was performing an emergency tracheotomy with one hand and giving your dinner to a homeless child with the other, weren’t you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2013/655234.md?page=16)