# NFL Draft - 2021 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [April 13, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913 "2021-04-13T17:26:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/1 "2021-04-13T17:26:35Z")
The NFL draft is a little over a week away. After an unprecedented year of shortened/cancelled seasons, opt outs, and lack of gametape the already difficult job of scouts and GM’s will be even more difficult with this years draft. Each year I produce a list of “my guys” (guys who will meet or out-perform their draft positions) and “your guys” (guys whom won’t). I’ve had some hits (Kevin Byard/Kirk Cousins) and misses (Patrick Mahomes was a “your guy”). But while it’s not always heavily researched, it is fun. Here’s my lists for this year: MY GUYS 1st Round Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson Peneii Sewell, OT, Oregon 2nd Round Terrance Marshall, WR, LSU Najae Harris, RB, Alabama 3rd Round Rashod Batemon, WR, Minnesota James Hudson, OT, Cincinnati 4th Round Tommy Togiai, DI, Ohio State Walker Little, Stanford, OT, Stanford Dillon Radnitz, OT, N. Dakota State 5th Round Cameron Sample, DE, Tulane Paulson Adebo, CB, Stanford Demetric Felton, RB/WR, UCLA 6th Round Quinn Meinertz, G, UW Whitewater David Mills, QB, Stanford – draft a QB every year. 7th Round Tuf Borland, LB, Ohio State Richie Grant, S, UCF Kenny Nwangwu, RB/KR, Iowa State YOUR GUYS Zach Wilson, QB, BYU Jayson Oweh, DE, Penn State Alex Leatherwood, OT, Alabama Gregory Rousseau, Edge, Miami Kadarius Toney, WR Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama BEST NAMES Chuba Hubbard Tommy Tremble Hunter Long Tutu Atwell Whop Philyor Trey McKitty Racey McMath Tuf Borland Dillon Stoner Will Fries ADDITIONAL RANDOM THOUGHTS: 5 QB’s in the first 10 picks is insane, and very helpful to smart teams who don’t chase the elite QB dream. Give me Kyle Pitts/Peneii Sewell and Davis Mills over Trey Lance or Zach Wilson anyday. I am a very “Best Player Available” draft advocate, but if Jerry Jones completely ignores his team needs and ends up drafting Kyle Pitts or a WR, I’m going to laugh and laugh and laugh. I don’t understand why the Niners gave up so much to move up to #3 in this year’s draft. With so many unknowns and question marks about the season and the way their team is built, it seems like desperation. And the Niners shouldn’t be desperate. Jaylen Waddle is 5’10” 182 lbs. Rondale Moore is 5’9” 180. Not everyone is Tyreek Hill. Most are Tavon Austin This just might be the year people realize Jon Gruden is incredibly overrated. PFF has the Raiders as the worst team in the NFL at drafting in the first round. This offseason’s gutting of their offensive line, overpaying of Kenyan Drake, and not helping their horrible secondary, are big negatives. Hopefully their draft will be too. Thoughts? Any guys you love? Any guys you hate? Let’s hear from you! ---
**Author:** ![mcgato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac8455/32.png) [@mcgato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mcgato)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/2 "2021-04-13T18:53:18Z")
Agree on the QBs. I’ll be surprised if more than two are anything other than mediocre QBs. I looked up the history of Ohio St. QBs in the draft, and it is abysmal. I am always leery of people like the Alabama QB, who spent college behind linemen who will be NFL regulars, throw to WRs who will be NFL regulars, and hand the ball to a RB (or RBs) who will probably be good NFL RBs. Those QBs usually have 5+ seconds to find an open receiver, and with the pedigree of receiver on the team, there will be an open receiver. I am anxiously awaiting Mel Kiper’s updated draft prediction, version 2,527,497. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/3 "2021-04-13T19:22:39Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > BEST NAMES > > Chuba Hubbard > > Tommy Tremble > > Hunter Long > > Tutu Atwell > > Whop Philyor > > Trey McKitty > > Racey McMath > > Tuf Borland > > Dillon Stoner > > Will Fries You had to have made at least one of these up. It reads like a MST3000 riff. “Brick McHugeLarge!” 🤣 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/4 "2021-04-13T19:24:25Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > You had to have made at least one of these up. It reads like a MST3000 riff. Or, a Key & Peele sketch: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/gODZzSOelss/maxresdefault.jpg "Key & Peele - East/West College Bowl") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gODZzSOelss) ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/5 "2021-04-13T19:32:20Z")
Hot damn, I love a good funny name sketch - thanks for that! ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/6 "2021-04-13T20:38:59Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > 5 QB’s in the first 10 picks is insane, and very helpful to smart teams who don’t chase the elite QB dream. I’m betting it’s 5 in the first 6 picks. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/7 "2021-04-13T21:02:14Z")
Here’s hoping the Bears trade up to get one. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/8 "2021-04-13T21:14:33Z")
Pretty sure ownership has taken the future wallet away from Pace. Hence the Dalton signing. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/9 "2021-04-13T23:31:23Z")
My guess is that Washington stays away from a QB this year. One year with Fitzmagic and fill a bunch of other gaps ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/10 "2021-04-14T22:31:40Z")
What do you all think will be the biggest surprise in the first round? It would absolutely shock the world if Lawrence wasn’t the #1 overall pick or if the Jags traded out of that spot. I think we can safely say that won’t happen. But what are the chances that the Jets draft someone other than Zach Wilson? How sure are we that they love him and view him as the #2 QB? How disruptive would it be if they broke convention and took Fields or Lance? Or if they poached Jones from San Fran? Similarly, we’ve all sort of accepted that the 49ers traded up with the intention of taking Mac Jones. In spite of the fact that prior to that trade the consensus amongst the bloggers was that Jones was probably going in the teens somewhere. What if they pick Lance or Fields? Does it change much? Kyle Pitts is the clear cut darling of the draft and people have suggested that any of the teams in the 4-7 range would be thrilled to have him fall. In any other draft Pitts might be a top 3 pick. Any chance the Jets take him? Does someone trade up to 4 or 5 to take him? If Justin Fields or Trey Lance slip out of the top 6 how intense is the feeding frenzy for teams scrambling to trade up? Would either the Lions or Panthers be willing to move down? How crazy would circumstances need to be for one of these guys to be picked outside of the top ten? Other than Sewell and Pitts, is there any other non-QB that a team might really bend over backwards to grab in the top 10? There’s some great WRs but there’s also a bunch of them, so I kinda doubt Chase or Waddle will be worth packaging multiple picks for. What’s the highest that QB6 could come off the board where the team doesn’t get mocked for reaching? Who’s the really fast guy that can’t play football who the Raiders will probably take? Which meathead team takes a RB in the first round? ---
**Author:** ![LoneRhino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lonerhino/32/1311_2.png) [@LoneRhino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LoneRhino)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/11 "2021-04-15T11:09:12Z")
While it would be a shocker if Jacksonville doesn’t take Lawrence I think if the first 3 teams take QB’s as expected the disruption would be minimal. I would think that the Jets have considered the possibility of Lawrence not being picked first, but it is the Jets. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/12 "2021-04-15T15:57:16Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > What do you all think will be the biggest surprise in the first round? After being all but glued to Zach Wilson in every mock draft ever, I think the Jets surprise everyone by drafting either Mac Jones or Justin Fields. Part of that is my own distaste for all the Wilson hype (he’s an injury prone Johnny Manziel without the drugs/alcohol problems. I think you could have done as well against his competition and with his O line), but teams lie all the time. I think the Jets have been lying about Wilson. > [@Omni](#): > > Other than Sewell and Pitts, is there any other non-QB that a team might really bend over backwards to grab in the top 10? There’s some great WRs but there’s also a bunch of them, so I kinda doubt Chase or Waddle will be worth packaging multiple picks for. Last year there was a glut of closely ranked OT’s and WR’s to pick from, and each had a guy I didn’t expect to be the first one drafted (Andrew Thomas beat out Wirfs and Wills and Ruggs beat out Jeudy and Lamb [thanks again Jon Gruden!]) I think that happens again this year with Waddle (or maybe even Toney) being drafted before Chase or Smith. Some GM’s get enamoured with “their guy” (and their own ego) and will overpay to make it happen. > [@](#): > > What’s the highest that QB6 could come off the board where the team doesn’t get mocked for reaching? None. That’s the great thing about the “you need the QB you like most” thinking that some fans/analysts have. Since QBs are so precious, there is no price that is too high, no draft position that is such a reach, that they wont justify their teams’ pick. Kyle Trask at 15? Fine. Just make sure you tell the fans he’s your guy. Kellen Mond at 20? He’s got great size and an NFL arm, so that’s fine. > [@Omni](#): > > Who’s the really fast guy that can’t play football who the Raiders will probably take? Shaka Toney from Penn State? Jamin Davis? > [@Omni](#): > > Which meathead team takes a RB in the first round? The Bucs. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/13 "2021-04-15T21:39:44Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > 3rd Round > > Rashod Batemon, WR, Minnesota Bateman doesn’t last until the 3rd round. I’ve seen him mocked to the Bears in the first (which I hope like hell doesn’t happen). > [@Hamlet](#): > > Here’s hoping the Bears trade up to get one. Oh hell no. > [@Omniscient](#): > > What’s the highest that QB6 could come off the board where the team doesn’t get mocked for reaching? Davis Mills at #52 to the Bears. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/14 "2021-04-15T22:08:06Z")
Honestly, I’m thinking Mills at 20 might be the more likely outcome. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/15 "2021-04-15T22:57:41Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I’m thinking Mills at 20 might be the more likely outcome. A few weeks ago he was a 5th rounder. Now he’s consensus 3rd, which means he’ll probably go off the board in the 2nd. I would not be shocked (but would be pretty pissed) if Pace took him with the 20. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/16 "2021-04-15T23:21:50Z")
Brace yourself then. I’m certainly not suggesting it’s a good idea. But we might be settling for Book in the 5th otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/17 "2021-04-15T23:29:01Z")
I’ll probably get over it, as long as he doesn’t trade Washington a 3rd rounder to move up one spot. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/18 "2021-04-16T15:56:10Z")
I just need a quick second of your time: Is it possible to fuck up early picks in the NFL draft as badly as the Packers and Brian Gutekunst did last year? You waste resources to trade up in the first round to draft a developmental player with a 3rd round grade that, if everything goes well for your team, will never see the field for you. And, in doing so, you piss off your Hall of Fame QB, which now means you’re having trouble renegotiating his contract and can’t clear space under the salary cap to sign players. As if that wasn’t fucked up enough, you use your second round pick on the most replaceable position, RB, when you already have an All Pro on your team who you end up giving a big contract, wasting more resources at a position you already have set. Then you draft a glorified fullback, a position that doesn’t really fucking exist in the NFL anymore, and plan to “swiss army” the guy when you have already put a lot of resources at the TE position. And he doesn’t see the field. In all my years, I’ve never seen a bigger waste of the first 3 rounds of an NFL draft. Maybe, just maybe, the late round picks will develop into starters (Runyan looked OK and I have high hopes for Vernon Scott) so the entire draft isn’t a waste, but boy, I am still furious with Gute for the debacle that was the first three rounds last year. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/19 "2021-04-16T15:59:02Z")
Whew. Glad to get that out of my system. Now more productive thoughts: Going 26-6 over the last two seasons is a good indicator that the Packers have a darn good roster. Losing twice in the Conference Championship game is a good indicator that they need a great roster. Here’s where the Packers need to go from good to great, and some guys I’d like to see in a Packer uniform after the draft. Inside Linebacker – Not a priority position for the last decade, the Packers have been getting by with mediocrity for awhile now. Undrafted Khris Barnes, while a cool story, isn’t even replacement level, and Ty Summers isn’t much better. There is hope for Kamal Martin, but he’s an injury risk. Cupboards pretty bare and its clearly the worst position group on the Packers. Give me Zaven Collins early, Monty Rice in the middle rounds, and/or Tuf Borland very late. Offensive Line – The Packers lost one of the best centers in the NFL in Corey Linsley to free agency. They value versatility in their O-linemen, so switching starters Elgton Jenkins or Lucas Patrick to center could happen. But somewhere along the line, they’ll need some depth at center and tackle. Give me Walker Little in the second, Landon Dickerson in the third, and/or Trey Hill late. Cornerback – Jaire Alexander is shutdown corner on one side of the field, but the Pack have been throwing draft resources at the other side for awhile with no luck. NFC Championship Game goat (as in scape, not greatest) Kevin King is back on a one year contract, but neither him nor Chandon Sullivan in the slot, are great. Give me Greg Newsome II in the first, Tay Gowan in the third, and/or Shakur Brown later. Defensive End – Another position that is good, but not great. NT Kenny clark is a stud, but Dean Lowry and Tyler Lancaster are serviceable but not great Newcomer Kingsley Keke could be very good though. But another big body in the middle would help immensely. Give me Alim McNeil in the second or third, Tommy Togiani in the third or fourth, and/or Ta’ Quon Graham late. Wide Receiver – Get me a stud or forget it. The Packers have the games best in Davante Adams and a slew of serviceable guys. MVS is good at the “go deep quickly and hope he catches it” and Allen Lazard can get you yards in the middle of the field, but a stud WR could really, really help. Get me Terrance Marshall or Elijah Moore and be done with it. How about your favorite team? What needs do they have and how would you like to see them filled? ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913/20 "2021-04-16T19:29:38Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > How about your favorite team? What needs do they have and how would you like to see them filled? Just in case you’re not all sick of me talking about the Bears … my dream would be to trade our first rounder for a 2 and a 3, giving us four picks to address what I see as our four biggest needs, in this order (with guys likely to be available): CB: Asante Samuel Jr., Florida State QB: Davis Mills, Stanford OT: Spencer Brown, Northern Iowa WR: Tamorrion Terry, Florida State [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-2021/939913.md?page=2)