# NFL Draft: Ever been? (And what are your thoughts on this year's?) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 20, 2003, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829 "2003-04-20T09:37:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2003, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/21 "2003-04-21T14:54:29Z")
elf6c, what I said above…The steelers historically have not been afraid to take the best available athlete, even if it doens’t fall in line with their needs. I think they have about 2 people they are looking at for safety (Troy Polamalu and Julian Battle). If they are both gone, there’s no telling what the Steelers will do. Believe it or not, I think that if they can get a good safety in there, Scott and Washington (their current CBs) can still play a good game. They just suffered from bad peers last year. Also, I’ve heard the same thing from Baltimore not wanting Boller at the ten spot. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@The\_Tof](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tof)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2003, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/22 "2003-04-21T19:31:29Z")
> [@](#): > > I know, but they’re the frickin’ Saints. They’ll probably do something completely off the wall and select a K and a P or something. And OT? I dunno, I got the idea the OLine was pretty set, I dunno if I’d use a first rounder when the LBs and CBs need some H-E-L-P. I tabbed Kwame Harris, because he was essentially the best player not taken when I got to 19/20. I was pretty sure they’d take a S or CB. Trufant and Newman will both be gone, and no other CB’s are really worth a first round pick, with the exception of Woolfolk who is a project pick much like McGahee. I could see Doss and EJ Henderson (LB), who after Boss Bailey is the next best available LB, but in the mock I did he was gone by 19. But that’s essentially why I chose Harris. Besides, OL is like CB, you can never have too many. > [@](#): > > Going to be a run on WR’s in the first ten I’m curious… after Charles Rogers at 2 and probably Andre Johnson at 3, what other WR’s will be picked? I only see one other as a 1st round possibility. I hardly see 2 WR’s as a “run” on WR’s. There will likely be two CB’s and two DT’s as well, is that a run in those positions? As far as Dorsey, everybody is down on Dorsey. But IMO, you can’t overlook one thing. He won a lot. I mean, its not like those guys had a ghost back there throwing the ball. Somebody will take a flyer on him. But probably on the 2nd day… 5-7th rds. QB is interesting, there’s a lot of mid-level guys (Kingsbury, Banks, Simms, Gesser, Grossman, Wallace off the top of my head). It’ll be interesting to see how they play out. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2003, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/23 "2003-04-21T20:48:27Z")
I think Willis McGahee is by far the best story of the draft. It’s a gamble that could pay off huge, or fall flat. That said, I don’t see him as a first round gamble. First round is for starters, not development. His knee is just too banged up to garner first round attention. He’s an awesome runner that had an awesome line in front of him, so some of the credit has to go to his line. The Vikings might just pack up and leave if a defender isn’t chosen, but given the “Take the best player” mantra all the teams take, a WR like Andre Johnson would be tempting. Suggs, Kennedy, or Robertson are the 3 names I hope to see available once the 7th comes around. ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2003, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/24 "2003-04-21T20:54:54Z")
I look for [ul][li]McGahee to go to the Pats with their second pick. No way he lasts until round 2. Even if the Pats chicken out, he’ll never get past the Raiders.[/li][li]I think the Eagles go for either ran edge rusher or a stud MLB, but they might have to trade up to get either. If they sit in place they might still go DE, but might also look at TE. THey need WR help, but I don’t see them spending another 1st rounder on it this year.[/li][li]The Saints to package 2 picks to move up and grab one of the top 2 CBs (which one depends on how much people are scared by Newman’s shoulder. Teams who pass on him because of this will be making a mistake, IMO.)[/li]As for Dorsey: 7[sup]th[/sup] round or a preferred free agent. Why? Gino Toretta.[/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2003, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/25 "2003-04-21T21:01:01Z")
Oh, I also think that Rogers will outperform Johnson by a mile in year 1, but by year 3 things will have eened out a bit. Probably. Johnson might turn out ot be this draft’s Peter Warrick, though for just about the opposite reason. Warrick was a natural receiver and open field runner who simply lacks the speed to separate or the strength to work in NFL traffic. Johnson has speed and strength to spare but is still a long way from being a natural receiver. I forsee a tough first year for him, though in the right place he might develop into a stud in a few years. He would be better off going to Detroit than Houston, but I don’t think he will be so lucky. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2003, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/26 "2003-04-21T21:25:06Z")
McGahee in the first round seems like a huge mistake to me (though it seems to be accepted wisdom that he’ll go in the first anyway). Can anyone name a RB whose knee has bent like that, and then gone on to be a pro-bowler (let alone a _durable_ pro-bowler)? If so, he’d be on a real short list. The Eagles should be able to get someone like Nebraska’s Kelsay at DE with #30 (29?). Probably have to trade up if they want Henderson at MLB, though. It’s an exceptionally deep draft at DL, which is what the Giants need, but that won’t matter so much if 8 (or more) of the first 24 picks are Ends or Tackles, as is frequently predicted. I’d actually like to see them trade up a bit to make sure they get someone worthwhile (unless other teams count on being able to get quality in the second round, and the DLs start slipping). Also wouldn’t mind seeing them trade up and take Boss Bailey at OLB (unless they know something Short and Jones, their current OLBs, that I don’t). ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2003, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/27 "2003-04-21T21:44:04Z")
[The cornerback crop just got a little thinner. . .](http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/columnist?id=1541930) ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2003, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/28 "2003-04-21T22:21:27Z")
> [@](#): > > McGahee in the first round seems like a huge mistake to me (though it seems to be accepted wisdom that he’ll go in the first anyway). Can anyone name a RB whose knee has bent like that, and then gone on to be a pro-bowler (let alone a durable pro-bowler)? If so, he’d be on a real short list. Jamal Lewis and Edge both had similar injuries 2 years ago. Lewis had an excellent year last year, though he didn’t make the pro bowl in an AFC that’s overflowing with great backs. Edge had a rougher recovery, but I expect him to be back strong again this year. Garrison Hearst cam back from MCL surgery several years before he made his latest comeback from ankle surgery. The man has a serious aptitude for rehab. On the other side of the ball you have Terrell Davis and Jamal Anderson. Thing is, this draft is seriously short of top flight RBs. Somebody is going to take a flyer on McGahee because there isn’t another back out there that doesn’t have a red flag all their own. Come draft day, fear rules a GMs last seconds before submitting that 1[sup]st[/sup] round pick. Nobody wants to be paying millions to the latest Penn State tacking dummy while McGahee becomes stud in 2004. I’m not saying that it’s the right move to make, but some GM will do it. If nothing else, it gives them a 1 year reprieve from the “he’s a bust” charges. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/29 "2003-04-22T02:28:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by VarlosZ \* > \*\*[The cornerback crop just got a little thinner. . .](http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/columnist?id=1541930) \*\* Talk about a million dollar bullet. Well, a _negative_ one million dollar bullet in this case. And that’s just the signing bonus he’ll be missing out on because of the drop in ranking. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/30 "2003-04-22T02:50:44Z")
With each pick, a team has the gamble “Can this pick make it in the NFL?” The numbers of promising picks who have fallen flat are legion. So just picking a _healthy_ player is a huge gamble. I just can’t see McGahee going in the first. Yes I do understand that this isn’t an awesome back class, but fear rules a GMs pick, and McGahee could be a hindsight is 20/20 steal in the second, or a hindsight is 20/20 collasal dud in the first. I think GMs aren’t willing to be the one who picked the collosal dud. Nobody wants to look like Denny Green did after Dimitrius Underwood went bipolar. Nobody. ---
**Author:** ![Doomtrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Doomtrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doomtrain)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/31 "2003-04-22T04:29:17Z")
Man, it’s good to be around some people making some SERIOUS football talk. Hate to play you guys in fantasy. Anyway, it looks like the Saints reeled in Tebucky Jones, which should satisfy things at safety. If there’s not a good CB pick in the first round, I’m thinking they’ll go LB or DT. It wouldn’t surprise me if they decided to go with the CBs they have, honestly. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/32 "2003-04-22T06:55:07Z")
> [@](#): > > McGahee, I don’t suspect will fall past the Eagles in the first round. The Eagles are a bit of an enigma because they don’t REALLY need anybody, so they can take some time and cultivate a player like McGahee. And like you said, if he’s really a future Pro Bowler- he’s totally worth it. No way! For all the talk about McGahee and teams picking him early, it won’t happen. 3rd Round… earliest will be late 2nd round. Any team would be nuts to waste (yes, waste) a 1st round pick on an injured RB. And how many teams really need an RB anyway… 1st round is where you get your ‘need’ players. The steal of this draft will be SUGGS, who will fall because of his ‘bad’ combine performance. He’ll show how great he is on the field, and when it’ll be a steal for the team that picks him within picks 12-20 (or later). Boller is not going to be a great 1st round pick, IMO. He’s got the tools, but he isn’t going to be the ‘savior’. He’ll be above average, but so is Aaron Brooks (who wasn’t a 1st rounder, IIRC). ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/33 "2003-04-22T10:00:09Z")
What do you guys will think the Browns will do? I have a good idea of where our weaknesses are, but I’m not familiar with what players are up to draft. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/34 "2003-04-22T11:19:38Z")
Well, my team doesn’t even have a pick until the third round, so I have no idea whatsoever as to what else will happen. I am curious, why is it that Ken Dorsey is considered such a risk in the draft? Is he small? Weak arm? Ugly? Not enough steroids? ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/35 "2003-04-22T12:29:24Z")
> [@](#): > > I am curious, why is it that Ken Dorsey is considered such a risk in the draft? Is he small? Weak arm? Ugly? Not enough steroids? It’s not that he’s considered a risk, really; he’s just considered a mediocre prospect at best. From [espn.com](http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/tracker/player?id=7025): > [@](#): > > **Negatives:** A Bernie Kosar/Steve Walsh-type quarterback who lacks a big arm, mobility and elusiveness. Really struggles to get enough on the ball and throw with accuracy when throwing on the run or outside the pocket. Benefited from being surrounded by great players. Does not throw a tight spiral and his ball will flutter at times. Worst games were when he faced a stiff rush at Washington in 2000 and terrible, windy weather at Boston College in '01, which again brought up his physical limitations. Also struggled in muck at the East-West Shrine Game and did not have a great week of practice. Really discouraged scouts with an erratic workout at the Scouting Combine, but was better in his on-campus workout, though it was in his own element. > > **Summary:** Is like Walsh was in many respects: marginal physical skills and a weak arm. Although you cannot ignore the intangibles, leadership and winning reputation Dorsey has, the talent that surrounded him at Miami was a major factor in his success. Immobile, not terribly accurate, weak arm. Still, 38-2 as a started does look tempting, I know. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/36 "2003-04-22T13:20:28Z")
I wonder what the pre-draft take on Joe Montana was? I seem to recall it as being similar to the above, but my memory isn’t what it used to be. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/37 "2003-04-22T13:47:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ISiddiqui \* > \*\*No way! For all the talk about McGahee and teams picking him early, it won’t happen. 3rd Round… earliest will be late 2nd round. Any team would be nuts to waste (yes, waste) a 1st round pick on an injured RB. And how many teams really need an RB anyway… 1st round is where you get your ‘need’ players. > > The steal of this draft will be SUGGS, who will fall because of his ‘bad’ combine performance. He’ll show how great he is on the field, and when it’ll be a steal for the team that picks him within picks 12-20 (or later). > > \*\* Woah. McGahee is not going to last past the top of the second round, never mind the thrid. Prior to his knee injury, he was slotted for a top 3 pick. His rehab is going well, and this year’s crop of RB’s is weak in first round talent (but rich in third round talent-- go figure). Suggs won’t be playing tomato can Tackles anymore, so his repeated exhibited lack of speed and burst are legitimately dropping him. At 10-15 he is a great value. He just isn’t a top-five pick anymore. I think the first 2 DT’s have much bigger upsides. > [@](#): > > I am curious, why is it that Ken Dorsey is considered such a risk in the draft? Is he small? Weak arm? Ugly? Not enough steroids? Horrible workouts and combine performance, product of the system. Someone may use a 7th on him. > [@](#): > > I’m curious… after Charles Rogers at 2 and probably Andre Johnson at 3, what other WR’s will be picked? I only see one other as a 1st round possibility. I hardly see 2 WR’s as a “run” on WR’s. There will likely be two CB’s and two DT’s as well, is that a run in those positions? I have up to 3 WR’s going in the first ten, and no less then 2. That is alot of WR’s in my book. DT is very deep in first round talent, unlike WR and CB, which creates more pressure on those looking for first round talent at those positions, especially at WR. If by pick #4, 2 of the 3 first round talent WR’s are gone, that creates a lot of pressure on those needing a good WR. Personally, I always lean towards the elite CB’s and OT’s in the upper end of the first round, as they tend to be measurably better then the lower round talent at those positions (on average and IMHO, of course). Newman’s the gem in my eye (assuming reports his shoulder is fine are true). I (still) love the draft. ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/38 "2003-04-22T14:42:05Z")
Re: the Browns… I’m going on a guy who is on an email list that I am on-- I’ve been reading him for 4 seasons now, and I love his take on the draft every year. Dave Reid is the one who wrote this. > [@](#): > > 1. CLEVELAND: Picks - Steinbach or Harris or Jeff Faine, C Notre Dame, Henderson, Bailey > if he falls. > > Unlikely it will be Faine, but Steinbach or Harris fits. They need linebackers desparately > so maybe they will go up for Bailey or pick Henderson if he is there. And Here’s what he has to say about the players in question: > [@](#): > > GUARD: > > 1. Eric Steinbach, Iowa (6-6, 295 4.95) > > It seems that almost every year for the last few years we get a top notch guard prospect, > be it Faneca or Hutchinson or Ruben Brown, Fonoti and Gurode last year and this year it’s > Eric Steinbach’s turn to fill that role. He’s been a 4 year starter at guard and might > project outside, he played at Iowa for former Ravens OL coach and the man who in my > opinion is the best head coach outside the NFL in Kirk Ferentz, so you know that he has > been well drilled in all areas of line play (and the same can be said of all Iowa linemen > in this draft). He worked at tackle during the Senior Bowl and more than held his own. > Despite not being as strong as some on this list he’s very tough to shift, he does a great > job of sealing off the running lane and opening holes, he’s a tough competitor who will > play to the whistle and sometimes beyond, but I think his best traits are evident when you > get him moving, he’s very smooth and quick and is excellent at pulling and trapping and > he’s a fantastic downfield blocker on screens. His pass blocking is sound, he’s quick out > of his stance and uses his hands well. He needs to get a little bigger and a little > stronger to anchor against the bullrush but there’s little doubt that he’s a quality > prospect and I think that pound for pound he is the most complete lineman in this draft > and he’s one of my favourite players overall in the draft. > > TACKLE: > 2. Kwame Harris, Stanford (6-7, 310 5.27) > > Harris might just have the biggest upside of any player in this draft. He’s left Stanford > with a year remaining and he is only 20 years old, he’s not the finished product by any > stretch of the imagination but he’s got everything you want in a tackle. He is a rangy guy > a man mountain with a great wingspan and is very athletic with it, he can move well and > plays very well in space, he’s smart and has good technique in general and uses that size > to tower over people. He doesn’t appear to be that strong and needs work in the weightroom > but I think he could carry extra bulk a lot better than Gross could, you still feel that > Harris can fill out a bit more. What Harris needs now is a bit of pro tuition, a bit of > focus on the job in hand and plenty of experience. I think he could be thrown in at the > deep end with mixed results initially, but give him half a season and he’ll be up to > speed, give him a season or two and then he might be one of the best in the game, he’s got > the world at his feet, it’s up to him to become one of the best. > CENTER > > 1. Jeff Faine, Notre Dame (6-2, 305, 5.01) > > Faine entered the draft after a stellar junior season, he has nothing more to prove at the > college level. He’s a very good overall prospect and would not look out of place in the > lower half of round one, the one thing he lacks is cat-like quickness that the great ones > have but he’s fine in all other areas He’s a solidly built guy, in run blocking he > delivers a good initial hit, he can drive people out of the way and can hit on the move as > well. He anchors well in pass protection and is smart, he makes all the calls and has good > vision to see things develop. There’s not much more to be said, he’s just a fine prospect > at center and should be starting very soon in his NFL career. > ILB > > 1. EJ Henderson, Maryland (6-1, 245 4.85) > > Normally EJ Henderson would have been a top ten pick but concerns over speed and a serious > neck problem mean that he could become a bit of a wild card on draft day. He’s a > tremendous 3-4 ILB with great reactions and despite not having top speed he is dominant in > pursuit at times, he’s a form tackler who wraps up well and he’s a good blitzer as well. I > like his coverage work and I think that many teams will find this aspect of his game > appealing, he can play with receivers and tight ends as well as smothering backs on > patterns out of the backfield. His neck is a concern but if he has been medically cleared > then he should be the first linebacker taken in the draft. > > OLB > > 1. Boss Bailey, Georgia (6-3, 233 4.38) > > Champ’s brother. Boss Bailey is an interesting prospect, he’s a first round pick and > deservedly so, but ultimately he could be a boom or bust guy in the NFL. He is a seek and > destroy linebacker, someone who plays at top speed, sideline to sidline and is > tremendously athletic, however, he’s not a top flight linebacker yet. Being a speed > merchant and not a strong or powerful guy means that at times he is roadkill against the > run. I don’t think he’s a form tackler, and he will overpursue at times. Bailey reminds me > of Chris Slade when he was at Virginia and Slade went in round two, in any other year that > might be the case but in such a week class, Bailey will be in the middle of round one. He > could project to safety but he would be a major project there, he will be a high draft > pick based on reputation and nothing tangible and that scares me. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/39 "2003-04-22T14:42:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ISiddiqui \* > **The steal of this draft will be SUGGS, who will fall because of his ‘bad’ combine performance. He’ll show how great he is on the field, and when it’ll be a steal for the team that picks him within picks 12-20 (or later).** And here I was hoping and praying that he’d fall to 7. You may be thinking _Lee_ Suggs, a late announcer to the draft. As a RB, he may go late into the 1st, soley due to the lack of quality backs in the draft. The DE _Terrell_ Suggs will not fall to twelve. The folks of Arizona would rise up in protest if the Cardinals passed on the local favorite. UNLESS (it’s the draft, I’m allowed a caviat 😃 ) there is a slew of trades for teams looking to boost their offense (that could be highly likely, there’s a lot of defense in this draft, but it’s not much for Offense). I agree with **elf6c**. McGahee goes early in the 2nd. No way he’ll drop to 3rd. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@The\_Tof](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tof)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2003, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829/40 "2003-04-23T02:59:12Z")
> [@](#): > > I have up to 3 WR’s going in the first ten, and no less then 2. That is alot of WR’s in my book. DT is very deep in first round talent, unlike WR and CB, which creates more pressure on those looking for first round talent at those positions, especially at WR. If by pick #4, 2 of the 3 first round talent WR’s are gone, that creates a lot of pressure on those needing a good WR. > Personally, I always lean towards the elite CB’s and OT’s in the upper end of the first round, as they tend to be measurably better then the lower round talent at those positions (on average and IMHO, of course). Newman’s the gem in my eye (assuming reports his shoulder is fine are true). So Cinci takes Palmer… then you get 2 WR’s. That only leaves one more 1st round quality WR in Kelley Washington. No way he goes before at least 15. Before him there’s Jordan Gross/Byron Leftwich/Terrance Newman/Marcus Trufant/DeWayne Robertson/Kevin Williams/Terrell Suggs/Johnathon Sullivan/Jimmy Kennedy and Boss Bailey… (At least) That is 2 CB’s and 4 DT’s before another WR would even likely be considered. You already know that Detroit and Houston are not likely to trade out of their spots. Also, picking late, you already know that you’re not going to get the top player ANY position without trading up. Even knowing that a couple of positions that traditionally fall such as S or OG will probably fall again. So I don’t believe that they have as much pressure as you think. Teams needing a good WR likely also need something else, and will have to focus on that. I guess my point is, I don’t see more than 2 taken in the top 10, or more than 3 in the first round. And even with 2 taken in the top 10, I hardly see it as a “run on WR’s” as you’re likely gonna get 2 CB’s, 2QB’s and possibly 2-3 DT’s taken as well. Too me all the DT’s is what is creating the problems. All the top teams are going to end up taking all the stinkin’ DT’s, because those are the top players. The top DT’s will be gone by 15, leaving the 2nd tier of DT’s. (Ty Warren/William Joseph) It’s funny that McGahee has so many opinions about him. I think GM’s will think that he was a clear top 10 pick before. He had a good workout today (I was assuming that he would). Somebody is going to take a 1st round risk… (I picked the Eagles because again, they don’t REALLY NEED anybody that bad). If it doesn’t work out, everybody knows it was a risk, if it does you’re a genius. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-draft-ever-been-and-what-are-your-thoughts-on-this-years/169829.md?page=3)