# NFL game in the 60's or 70's where team was forced to use fans because of injuries?
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**Created:** [July 6, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422 "2018-07-06T20:40:55Z")
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### Author:  [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/1 "2018-07-06T20:40:55Z")
I read this in a sports trivia book from the 1990’s two decades ago but have never found a source for it, but then again it does seem hard to google.
Basically the story went, sometime in the 60’s or 70’s there was an NFL game where the home team held a tight lead over the other and in the final minutes of play the home team lost enough players to injuries that they were dangerously close to a forfeit which was completely unprecedented. Not wanting to lose the game nor take that black mark the team on the spot decided to shore up their lines by having a few people volunteer from the stands (it was a home game for them) who had formerly played high school or college football and just take up space so they could release the remaining pro players to other positions. While the fans didn’t do especially well they held their ground enough for the home team to pull off a narrow victory.
Any truth to this or was this one of those things where the trivia book either exaggerated or made-up an incident?
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### Author:  [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/2 "2018-07-06T20:48:13Z")
There are no stupid questions, just very gullible people.
ETA: Maybe that was harsh, maybe you’re not from the US and don’t know anything about football. But surely you know that any pro team in probably any major sport has a roster of eligible players approved before the game, and those are the only people who can play.
I do remember a game some decades ago where the Cowboys were too far behind to win, so they literally gave up and headed for the locker room with a few seconds left on the clock. The coaches scrambled around and just got any 11 players they could grab out onto the field for one last play. IIRC Drew Pearson, a wide receiver, was forced to play quarterback.
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### Author:  [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/3 "2018-07-06T20:55:28Z")
I’m going with either you mis-remember the situation, or that the book made it up. Players aren’t allowed to play who aren’t on the official roster at the start of the game. Even the old-time AFL/NFL of the 60s wouldn’t have let that happen.
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2018, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/4 "2018-07-06T21:14:13Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#):
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> Players aren’t allowed to play who aren’t on the official roster at the start of the game. Even the old-time AFL/NFL of the 60s wouldn’t have let that happen.
This, in a nutshell.
I could _possibly_ see it having happened in the 1920s, in the very early days of the NFL, when things weren’t quite as formalized as they are now, but even then, it was the era of single-platoon football, with very limited substitution rules, and you really only needed eleven players, total.
But, in the 1960s or 1970s? It simply wouldn’t have happened.
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### Author:  [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/5 "2018-07-06T21:34:14Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#):
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> There are no stupid questions, just very gullible people.
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> ETA: Maybe that was harsh, maybe you’re not from the US and don’t know anything about football. But surely you know that any pro team in probably any major sport has a roster of eligible players approved before the game, and those are the only people who can play.
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> I do remember a game some decades ago where the Cowboys were too far behind to win, so they literally gave up and headed for the locker room with a few seconds left on the clock. The coaches scrambled around and just got any 11 players they could grab out onto the field for one last play. IIRC Drew Pearson, a wide receiver, was forced to play quarterback.
Considering the Cowboys once lost 44-0 to the Bears and didn’t go to the locker room prematurely, just how bad was this score that the Cowboys did go to the lockers early?
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### Author:  [@Goodnight-Loving](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Goodnight-Loving)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/6 "2018-07-06T21:42:51Z")
> [@Asuka](#):
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> …sometime in the 60’s or 70’s there was an NFL game where the home team held a tight lead over the other and in the final minutes of play the home team lost enough players to injuries that they were dangerously close to a forfeit which was completely unprecedented. Not wanting to lose the game nor take that black mark the team on the spot decided to shore up their lines by having a few people volunteer from the stands (it was a home game for them) who had formerly played high school or college football and just take up space so they could release the remaining pro players to other positions. While the fans didn’t do especially well they held their ground enough for the home team to pull off a narrow victory.?
You may be thinking of the [Texas A&M 12th Man](https://www.tamu.edu/traditions/gameday/12th-man/) but have garbled it. Not NFL, not '60s-'70s, one guy, didn’t actually play (lots of folks forget that part). His team did win.
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### Author:  [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/7 "2018-07-06T22:41:28Z")
> [@Velocity](#):
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> Considering the Cowboys once lost 44-0 to the Bears and didn’t go to the locker room prematurely, just how bad was this score that the Cowboys did go to the lockers early?
I don’t remember, but I’d guess it wasn’t a blowout, or they wouldn’t have been disappointed enough to quit. So probably 10-20 points. I also think it may have been a playoff game, for the same reason. And since (if I’m remembering it right) they just had to run a play from scrimmage to finish the game, I’d guess that the previous play would have been an unsuccessful field goal attempt by their opponents.
And since I was a big Niners fan in the 80’s and 90’s, and never missed watching their games, and since Dallas often met SF in the playoffs during those years, there’s a fair chance that it was the Niners that beat them. But I’ve looked at Wikipedia’s description of playoff games they lost to SF while Drew Pearson was playing, and didn’t see anything about it.
So, if I guessed right on all of the above, maybe it will jog someone else’s memory.
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/8 "2018-07-06T22:54:07Z")
I never saw a team leave the field early but I’ve seen plenty of NFL games end in nasty fights in the last minute or less, where the losing team is so frustrated that they’ve given up on winning and just want to pummel the other team.
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### Author:  [@Jim\_s\_Son](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_s_Son)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/9 "2018-07-06T23:31:27Z")
I seem to remember an NFL Pro Bowl game (the most useless game in sports unless it was college all stars vs NFL champions) around 1971 where, because of an injury during a game, they got a current player (Gary Larsen of the Minnesota Vikings) down from the stands to play.
Jackie Sherill coach of Texas A & M using non athletic walk ons for the kick off team in the 1980s. They were pretty effective in limiting opponents return yardage. Later coaches have restricted its usage.
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### Author:  [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/10 "2018-07-06T23:31:51Z")
Maybe you’re thinking of the Boston Patriots’ [Bob Gladieux](https://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/28/sports/football/early-patriots-were-a-comical-traveling-sideshow.html)?
> [@](#):
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> Nothing so historic happened on the day of the Patriots’ 1970 season opener at Harvard, but it has a permanent place in the team’s colorful lore. The former Notre Dame running back Bob Gladieux had been cut from the Patriots a few days earlier but decided to attend the season opener anyway with a friend.
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> Seated in the old concrete Harvard horseshoe before the start of the game, the two had already had a couple of beers when Gladieux’s friend agreed to get another round. Just after he left, the public address cackled: “Bob Gladieux, please report to the Patriots’ dressing room.”
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> Gladieux went downstairs and was told to suit up. Last-minute contract disputes had left the Patriots short. Gladieux, nicknamed Harpo for his flock of frizzy blond hair, hurriedly donned his pads and was soon running down the field on the opening kickoff against the Miami Dolphins.
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> Back in the stands, his friend wondered why he was alone. He looked up to see the Dolphins’ kick returner go down in the arms of No. 24 for the Patriots.
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> “Tackle by Bob Gladieux,” the public address announcer said.
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> Said St. Jean: “When we saw Harpo’s buddy later, he said: ‘I knew I was drinking, but not enough to be hearing things.’ ” The Patriots won the game, one of just two victories in another last-place season.
Also, NHL teams have emergency goalies, who normally just watch the game from the stands - but [Scott Foster](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/30/598263399/36-year-old-accountant-called-in-as-emergency-nhl-goalie-and-he-crushed-it) had a moment of glory with the Chicago Blackhawks.
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### Author:  [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)
#### Post date: [July 7, 2018, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/11 "2018-07-07T05:55:11Z")
> [@Goodnight-Loving](#):
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> You may be thinking of the [Texas A&M 12th Man](https://www.tamu.edu/traditions/gameday/12th-man/) but have garbled it. Not NFL, not '60s-'70s, one guy, didn’t actually play (lots of folks forget that part). His team did win.
Another important distinction is that Gill wasn’t just some guy in the audience. He was a member of the team, albeit one so far down on the reserve list that he didn’t suit up.
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### Author:  [@installLSC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/installLSC)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2018, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/12 "2018-07-10T04:22:15Z")
The closest thing to this is the NHL’s [use of emergency goalies.](https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/the-inside-story-on-the-oddity-that-is-the-emergency-backup-goalie-and-why-it-could-soon-change) Just this year, [an emergency goalie even played–and did very well.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Foster_(ice_hockey))
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### Author:  [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2018, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/13 "2018-07-10T04:32:53Z")
Maybe you’re thinking of the 1973 Who concert where Keith Moon passed out, and an audience member stepped up and they finished the concert?
> **[Scot Halpin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scot_Halpin)**
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> Thomas Scot Halpin (February 3, 1954 – February 9, 2008) was an American artist and musician. In 1973, having initially being a member of the audience at a concert by the Who at the Cow Palace in Daly City, California, he ended up playing drums onstage after the band's drummer Keith Moon passed out mid-show. Halpin's performance won him Rolling Stone's "Pick-Up Player of the Year Award" later that year.
> Halpin was born in Muscatine, Iowa, to Elizabeth and Richard Halpin, of Muscatine. He grew u...
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### Author:  [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2018, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/14 "2018-07-10T04:42:51Z")
Not in NFL, but in cricket in 1986, [a member of the sponsor’s team](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/jul/25/bob-taylor-unexpected-england-comeback) had to take the field as the wicketkeeper (think catcher) after England’s regular player had been taken concussed.
Even got to meet the Queen.
Won’t be allowed today (taking the field, not meeting the Queen).
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### Author:  [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2018, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/15 "2018-07-10T07:27:18Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#):
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> Maybe you’re thinking of the 1973 Who concert where Keith Moon passed out, and an audience member stepped up and they finished the concert?
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> [Scot Halpin - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scot_Halpin)
And that has me pondering, which is more dangerous? stepping into a pro football team or trying to be Keith Moon for an evening?
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### Author:  [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2018, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/16 "2018-07-10T10:53:27Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#):
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> And that has me pondering, which is more dangerous? stepping into a pro football team or trying to be Keith Moon for an evening?
Good point: NFL players have an increased rate of early mortality, but not 100% by age 32.
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### Author:  [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2018, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/17 "2018-07-10T12:59:18Z")
The St. Louis Browns MLB franchise [once used fans as managers](https://baseballhall.org/discover-more/stories/inside-pitch/grandstand-managers-night).
Did pretty well too.
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### Author:  [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2018, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/18 "2018-07-10T13:24:11Z")
And the Redskins once ran a play called by President Nixon.
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### Author:  [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/19 "2018-07-10T14:38:20Z")
> [@Jim\_s\_Son](#):
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> Jackie Sherill coach of Texas A & M using non athletic walk ons for the kick off team in the 1980s. They were pretty effective in limiting opponents return yardage. Later coaches have restricted its usage.
Those guys were absolutely insane, since they got very few chances to actually be on the field and play, and were just students who volunteered. The fans loved it, they loved it, and the scholarship players weren’t risking injury playing on kickoffs. It always seemed like a win-win no-brainer.
But subsequent coaches went to alternate single player versions- IIRC RC Slocum, Dennis Franchione and Mike Sherman all had a pool of 12th Man non-scholarship walk-ons, but only played one per kickoff (all wearing number 12). Kevin Sumlin took it a little further and just had a single walk-on player be part of the team and wear #12 and play on kickoffs.
Never understood quite why; the all walk-on team was great!
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### Author:  [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-game-in-the-60s-or-70s-where-team-was-forced-to-use-fans-because-of-injuries/817422/20 "2018-07-10T16:31:01Z")
Maybe the OP is thinking of the time the Eagles held open tryouts, and some mook got a spot on the roster? There was a movie about it, IIRC.
Or maybe he is thinking of [Gus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_(1976_film)).
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