# NFL rumors: Hey we do not Want Moss! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 22, 2005, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119 "2005-01-22T18:35:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/41 "2005-01-24T16:33:49Z")
> [@NurseCarmen](#): > > _Everybody_ hates Randy. > > Until he’s on _your_ team. Then, you put up with his foibles, because let’s face it. He’s _that_ good. Well, as a shareholder of Green Bay Packers, Inc. I’d have to say your generalization doesn’t apply to all football fans. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/42 "2005-01-24T16:48:27Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > Perhaps you didn’t pay attention to what Washington did last year with Champ Bailey. He would’ve been a free agent, but they named him the franchise player. Then they traded him to Denver. Somehow the word “WOULD HAVE BEEN” doesn’t translate to “IS.” It doesn’t matter what he would have been. He wasn’t a free agent when they traded him. You obviously can’t trade someone who IS a free agent. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/43 "2005-01-24T16:49:50Z")
> [@NurseCarmen](#): > > _Everybody_ hates Randy. > > Until he’s on _your_ team. Then, you put up with his foibles, because let’s face it. He’s _that_ good. No, only rubes who believe the soap opera storylines by the hackneyed sports commentators hate Randy, because they’re supposed to. Most intelligent adults realize they don’t know him, and have no basis for an emotional relationship at all. I mean, to hate him as a person (you’re perfectly entitled to hate him as a dancer). ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/44 "2005-01-24T16:53:49Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > Perhaps you didn’t pay attention to what Washington did last year with Champ Bailey. He would’ve been a free agent, but they named him the franchise player. Then they traded him to Denver. And perhaps I have to make it clear what a completely illogical post this is. Me: You can’t trade someone who is a free agent. You: Perhaps you weren’t paying attention when someone who wasn’t a free agent was traded. In logical terms: Me: A, therefor not B. You: But in one case, ~A was B! ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/45 "2005-01-24T16:57:45Z")
Okay, fine. You win, **cricetus**. And allow me to be the first to apologize on behalf of whoever it was who pissed in your Cheerios this morning. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/46 "2005-01-24T17:01:12Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > No, only rubes who believe the soap opera storylines by the hackneyed sports commentators hate Randy, because they’re supposed to. Most intelligent adults realize they don’t know him, and have no basis for an emotional relationship at all. I mean, to hate him as a person (you’re perfectly entitled to hate him as a dancer). Are you related to him somehow? Why so defensive? If he is traded, say to the Bears or Lions, will you be back here in September to keep singing his praises? Or is his awe-inspiring, title-failing talent only worthy when wearing purple? ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/47 "2005-01-24T17:05:58Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Are you related to him somehow? Why so defensive? If he is traded, say to the Bears or Lions, will you be back here in September to keep singing his praises? Or is his awe-inspiring, title-failing talent only worthy when wearing purple? You will have a hard time finding a post by me praising Moss. I don’t give a shit if he’s traded or not, either. I do have a thing about, you know, the truth (isn’t that the mission of the SDMB?) which motivates me to (a) remind people that their speculations are based on baseless rumors, and (b) clarify issues of logical confusion. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/48 "2005-01-24T17:07:19Z")
Oh, and © chastise people who are quick to form opinions based on a few spoonfulls of media-manufactured pablum. Critical thought is good for you! ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/49 "2005-01-24T17:18:05Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > Oh, and © chastise people who are quick to form opinions based on a few spoonfulls of media-manufactured pablum. Critical thought is good for you! Dude, you’re in the Pit. Unless I’m mistaken the standard SDMB rules don’t apply here. I’ve seen a lot of smack thrown from you, but discussing a rumor of Moss being traded suddenly offends your delicate sensibilities? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![RevCo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@RevCo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RevCo)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/50 "2005-01-24T17:36:42Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I don’t think Moss is going anywhere. He’s too valuable to the Vikings not just in terms of what he does on the field but in his ability to sell tickets. The Vikings have never failed to sell out a home game since he was drafted in '98 and there were a couple of really crappy seasons in there. > > I also think his rep is greatly exaggerated. What has he really done that’s so “cancerous?” He faux-mooned a bunch of drunk hicks at a Packer game? Some meter maid jumped on his car and hassled him when he was high? He went to the locker room (literally) two seconds early? > > That makes him a cancer? I think his lack of a work ethic makes him a cancer - come on - I watch Vike games too and I see him WALKING his routes - wtf?! You mean to say his team mates can’t see this - I can see his lack of effort - I’ve seen it in real life! Hey defense - I’m not getting the ball, so I’ll just be saving my energy. I actually thought the mooning was funny, but that’s not why he’s a cancer. > [@](#): > > There are guys playing in the league who have been arrested for assault, domestic violence, rape, murder [cough::Ray Lewis::cough], and at least one case of a dude who enjoys breaking into women’s homes and crapping in their closets. It is eminently laughable for Packer fans to bitch about Randy Moss’s moondance while simultaneously cheering for Najeh Davenpoop. That was pre-NFL and he didn’t do it in the end-zone (which, if things keep going where they are going, someone will. I hope it’s in Minn.) > [@](#): > > Randy has a very good reputation in the community and has done a lot that doesn’t get publicity, like buying houses for needy families (out of his own bank account, not just advocating or something. He shells out his own money and buys them houses), like starting reading programs for kids, then actually showing up to them, spending time with them and rewarding them. These are not league affiliated activities (although he does that stuff too) this is stuff above and beyond the normal NFL PR stuff that all players do and he puts a lot of his own cash into it. Randy started a lot of this nice guy stuff as a way of digging himself out of his PR hole, which he seems very determined to dig himself back into… > [@](#): > > He has not been arrested for beating his wife, or selling dope or for stabbing anyone in a nightclub. His teammates, to a man, all say his repuation is a media creation and that Randy is well liked in the locker room, that he’s a good team mate and hard worker who, until his hamstring injury this year, had never missed a practice or a game. To roughly quote Chris Rock, “He’s not supposed to beat his wife, sell dope, or stab anyone.” I hope the Vikes keep him forever as his best days are behind him - they are never going anywhere until they get some discipline - and with obnoxious nincompoops that only show up “When they feel like it” they ain’t going anywhere. The worst thing to happen to Moss was sharing a team with Chris Carter - the worlds biggest cry-baby loudmouth - it shows. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/51 "2005-01-24T17:41:44Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > Oh, and © chastise people who are quick to form opinions based on a few spoonfulls of media-manufactured pablum. Critical thought is good for you! My, my, aren’t you just the cutest little pedantic asshole. Yes you are! Yes you are! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/52 "2005-01-24T17:42:11Z")
he was just saying that the rumor is unfounded, and so is Moss’ media reputation for that matter. Moss is probably not tradable because his value is too high. It would take at least two quality starters and a top ten draft pick just to merit a phone call. No one wants to get burned on another Hershel Walker trade. It isn’t going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/53 "2005-01-24T20:37:16Z")
> [@RevCo](#): > > That was pre-NFL and he didn’t do it in the end-zone (which, if things keep going where they are going, someone will. I hope it’s in Minn.) He was drafted in April of 2002 and laundrybasketpoopgate occured in July of 2002. So techically, he had not played a real NFL game yet, but it wasn’t “pre-NFL”. And poop is funny. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/54 "2005-01-24T21:12:46Z")
I don’t understand why you’re getting so worked up, **cricetus**. It’s not like the Vikings are going to hold a press conference and say “It’s the 2005 Moss clearance event. No reasonable offers will be refused. No first-rounder, no defensive stud, no problem! Moss must go!” [The](http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1973713)[rumors](http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6859365/)[out](http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3331874) [there](http://www.startribune.com/stories/503/5187059.html) are standard fare – somebody in the organization said they’d certainly discuss moving him, and the rest of us speculate who could get him and why. What’s the big deal? (I realize those are reduntant sources). Also, **Diogenes** , I think you’re overestimating Moss’ trade value. He’s going to be 28, he’s been hurt, and he’s got huge cap numbers that take him beyond his prime. And that’s in addition to the character issues; whether you think they’re a big deal or not, some do, and that drives down his value. I think that if the Vikings were offered, say, two firsts, or a first plus a decent DB or an end, or a similar package, they’d take it. ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/55 "2005-01-24T22:01:19Z")
yes, one rumor I heard was Charles Woodson + a first rounder from the Raiders. I think Minny would at least consider that. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/56 "2005-01-24T22:05:32Z")
I heard Philip Buchanon instead of Woodson. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/57 "2005-01-24T22:18:29Z")
The best argument for him going to the Cards is in the final 3rd of this article by [Bob Sansevere](http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/sports/columnists/bob_sansevere/10664419.htm?1c) of the St Paul Pioneer Press. He mentions a trade of Michael Bennet and Moss for (def) Bert Berry, Adrian Wilson, Darnell Dockette and (off) Anquan Boldin. Plus a pick. Denny loves offense so I could see him being interested in this. Also, the Vikes have Smith and Moore for the running game, and getting Boldin matched up with Burelson wouldn’t be a bad move. But I still think it’s going to be Baltimore. Hell, if the Ravens can find a halfway decent QB (Frerotten) to pair up with Moss, even Ray Lewis may not be so safe in his job. ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/58 "2005-01-24T22:28:54Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > He mentions a trade of Michael Bennet and Moss for (def) Bert Berry, Adrian Wilson, Darnell Dockette and (off) Anquan Boldin. Plus a pick. No way I’d do this if I was AZ. ---
**Author:** ![Kid\_A\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Kid\_A\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kid_A_1)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/59 "2005-01-24T23:23:00Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > But I still think it’s going to be Baltimore. Hell, if the Ravens can find a halfway decent QB (Frerotten) to pair up with Moss, even Ray Lewis may not be so safe in his job. I’d have to say Ray Lewis is no longer the “untouchable” one on the Ravens. For my money, it’s Ed Reed. Raven fans? ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119/60 "2005-01-24T23:23:12Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Dude, you’re in the Pit. Unless I’m mistaken the standard SDMB rules don’t apply here. I’ve seen a lot of smack thrown from you, but discussing a rumor of Moss being traded suddenly offends your delicate sensibilities? :dubious: The rules of discourse may change in the pit, but the rules of epistemology do not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-rumors-hey-we-do-not-want-moss/286119.md?page=4)